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Less ammo for scavenger users

Discussion in 'Ideas' started by BrawlerAce, Apr 22, 2014.

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Implement this into MC-War?

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  2. No

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  1. BrawlerAce

    BrawlerAce Well-Known Member

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    So as you know, scavenger gets you a lot of ammo when you have high killstreaks. After reading a post by @Gynamo I thought of this idea. When a player doesn't have scavenger equipped, he will still have a good chance of nuking, because with this idea is an ammo buff for weapons that need it, like assault rifles and pistols.
    When you have scavenger equipped, your ammo is decreased. For instance, you would have 32 rounds instead of 64 rounds with the Isolator, if you had scavenger equipped.

    As you can see, the weapons with a higher damage value have less ammo with/without scavenger. With the weapons that have a lower damage value, they will start with more ammo.
    Seem good? Vote on the poll, comment below, etc.
    This would make the server less pay-to-win and it would give people without scavenger a chance of getting good scores.
    Poll closes after 666 months v:
     
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    #1 BrawlerAce, Apr 22, 2014
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  2. Gynamo

    Gynamo Well-Known Member

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    This is an intresting idea.
     
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    #2 Gynamo, Apr 22, 2014
  3. BrawlerAce

    BrawlerAce Well-Known Member

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    The ammo values in the spoilers were based on the damage and firerate of the gun. If you want, feel free to suggest more. I'm shaky on some of them, because it might be O.P. or U.P.. I need opinions on the ammo given...
     
    #3 BrawlerAce, Apr 22, 2014
  4. blankbots

    blankbots Well-Known Member

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    The ammo counts should be altered a little bit.
    It shouldn't be made where having the perk is such a detriment compared to not having it.
    To be honest, I would rather use some of these guns without scavenger instead.
    That might be the point, to lessen the use, but that doubly lessens the overall usefulness of the perk.
    Given time, I can guesstimate what could be balanced.
     
    #4 blankbots, Apr 22, 2014
  5. Gynamo

    Gynamo Well-Known Member

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    I think it's decently balanced v: Now i'll just sit here and wait until 2069 to see what everyone thinks v:
     
    #5 Gynamo, Apr 22, 2014
  6. BrawlerAce

    BrawlerAce Well-Known Member

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    Well, the ammo counts were an example/my opinion. They're not set in stone. It's the idea itself, that weapons should have more ammo when you don't have scavenger. But I will edit some of the ammo values. Thanks for your opinion, Majora.
     
    #6 BrawlerAce, Apr 22, 2014
  7. Piky

    Piky Well-Known Member

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    I really like this, but maybe like giving snipers a little more ammo with scavenger on? Cause even with scavenger, it's kinda hard to sometimes get kills cause most of the snipers don't always one shot (unless head shot) so it'll be very hard to get ammo. But I see where you're going with this and I do really like it.
     
    #7 Piky, Apr 22, 2014
  8. Gynamo

    Gynamo Well-Known Member

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    Aim for the head v:
     
    #8 Gynamo, Apr 22, 2014
  9. Piky

    Piky Well-Known Member

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    Read my edited part. I edited it a bit v:
     
    #9 Piky, Apr 22, 2014
  10. BrawlerAce

    BrawlerAce Well-Known Member

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    I'm doing that right now. I changed the values of many ammo counts for different weapons. Remember that it is a placeholder, and it's what I think. It's the idea itself that counts...
    EDIT: Done. The Disassembler was left the same because... you know why.
     
    #10 BrawlerAce, Apr 22, 2014
  11. blankbots

    blankbots Well-Known Member

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    Another point.

    I don't this entirely fixes the issue. The current problem is that with unlimited ammo, spammibility increases, causing more camping around corners, allowing people to funnel into, and killing people in the safety of your own spawn with no repricussions. This... doesn't exactly fix this. All it really does is buff those who don't have the perk. Which is why I still like Tac's old idea, where you have to run to the fallen player tp collect your ammp. If this were to be put into place, all previous issues would be removed.
     
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    #11 blankbots, Apr 22, 2014
  12. BBSlayer5150

    BBSlayer5150 Well-Known Member

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    So just to make sure I am on the same page, you are saying that if/when (not sure if it will be added in a war update) overall initial ammo is increased for guns, you want to make it so scavenger users automatically are given less ammo to balance the perk out? If so, I agree on that. It definitely balances out scav. Good ideas.
     
    #12 BBSlayer5150, Apr 22, 2014
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    Yeah, those issues would be removed, but it would create even more issues such as people running out of ammo as fast as a friggin cheetah on 'roids. Mc-war is too defensive for this idea.
     
    #13 Usp45, Apr 22, 2014
  14. BrawlerAce

    BrawlerAce Well-Known Member

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    If you managed to get even 1 kill, you would receive ammo for each weapon. Remember that.
    Removing the ammo suggestion values, people are focusing on that and not on the idea itself.
     
    #14 BrawlerAce, Apr 22, 2014
  15. Parkman1221

    Parkman1221 Well-Known Member

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    I never read Tac's old idea, was it like dropping the ammo on the ground for players to pick up?
    But it buffs the players who never donated, but makes the ones who did just so much better.
     
    #15 Parkman1221, Apr 22, 2014
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    F1r3tar Highly Established Member

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    At first I though you meant decreasing the ammo per kill (which I would of said no). But you seem to mean that you start off with less ammo with this perk equipped, but you get the same amount per kill? If this is the case, than I will say yes to this idea seeing as this wouldn't affect gameplay too much.
     
    #16 F1r3tar, Apr 22, 2014
  17. starbo1034

    starbo1034 Well-Known Member

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    why the crap would you need scav when using the iso? it is a good idea
     
    #17 starbo1034, Apr 22, 2014
  18. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    How much ammo would you get by using scav then? And even Leman's mag is over 32 rounds.
     
    #18 SoMuchWinning, Apr 23, 2014
  19. BrawlerAce

    BrawlerAce Well-Known Member

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    You would receive the same amount of ammo per kill. With scavenger, ammo received at start/every respawn depends on the weapon's damage value. For instance, the USP would receive more starting ammo than the Isolator, if you had scavenger.
    Because some people only have scavenger and no other perks (hi) and need scavenger for their Python.
     
    #19 BrawlerAce, Apr 23, 2014
  20. starbo1034

    starbo1034 Well-Known Member

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    will admit u gotta point
     
    #20 starbo1034, Apr 23, 2014
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