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Opening staff applications

Discussion in 'Suggestions / Ideas' started by Greedy_Bee, Jun 7, 2014.

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  1. Greedy_Bee

    Greedy_Bee Well-Known Member

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    -=IMPORTANT NOTE=-
    If you're going to respond to this, I would like you to read the WHOLE thing, it may be long, but if you just see the title of this thread, and reply, you may have just skipped an idea that you would've liked.



    Alright, this is something that has been bugging the hell out of me for a while now, and i'm finally gonna bring it up.

    The Staff Apps.

    Yes McBrawl, there was once a time where the staff apps were open to ALL players, not just mods+. However as all of us know, they were closed due to the fact that they were too flamey, which in my opinion is absolute bull when it comes to people who MAY become your future moderators. Why am I bringing this up now? One application, and for the most part, it has quite a few upvotes, and I have not seen any replies involving the fact that this guy did exactly what paparoach183 did, and took the WarZ idea for their own server. I'm not even gonna bring up the Skype and DDoSing that this guy has behind him, it doesn't belong here, but it's pretty evident.

    Oh but what does this have to do with opening the app section?

    A lot. Most moderators, i'm sorry, but most of them have no clue what goes on in the bad part of the WarZ community, probably the only one who I think does know a bit is @Mario , hats off to you, but that's ONE person. Pretty much NO ONE knew that Dark Clutch was the Co-Owner of a stresser, until he got banned, and by NO ONE I mean the entire damn community of Brawl (MPS at the time).

    The staff replies are already so short, I mean there's like zero depth to it, there's nothing beyond the stats and while I agree that those stats should be judged, I feel like i'm reading off Jet Tilas introduction lines on Cutthroat kitchen. For example, if someone came to the forums, put a good amount of effort into an app, had some okay stats, but wasn't known by the FORUM community, but was an absolutely amazing person in the game, within the community on Skype, still, shot down, just absolutely shot down. Ya know why?

    Because the only thing people can do, is press, a small little button, that if I remember correctly BARELY calculates into the overall promotion of the person. While I do understand that the staff does hold it in their hands if the person does become a moderator, the community should still be able to shoot down an app, but, guess what, there's no way to leave feedback, at all.

    So, the solution to this...

    Well I've made up three options.

    1. Open the application section just like it used to be, everyone there, able to post, but for those people who are gonna say "NO 2 FLAMYYYY!!!222!", I have one word for you.
    Signature...d. I'm sorry but isn't he... the forums mod? Isn't his most important duty, the forums? And while I understand it isn't his one responsibility, he should have quite a bit of power of the staff app section. And of course the mods should be able to work in there, that's evident, and for those of you who say "Oh nao da modz shuldnt haf 2 do et", again....
    What's really more important than the staff app section?
    Really, I wanna hear a valid argument on that question somewhere, considering how absolute trashy the WarZ community is, and how few mods there a for it, the fact that there's way too few mods in the whole grand scheme of things, it's the damned future of the server, the staff is what makes sure that the server isn't overun by douchey hackers.

    2. Reopen it with certain restrictions. I'm pretty damn sure that XenForo allows for permissions to be added to people, if it's not automated then it can be done manually, and so the ability to post in the staff app section would be unlocked when...
    The person has the following:
    -150 Posts
    -75 Likes
    -Having been on the forum for at least 1 month

    The like and the time limit stops post *****s, which I think that there's a lot of.

    3. Reopen it to people who are trusted, and known, and mature on the forums. Pretty much, we all know who meets the three qualities I just listed, people like @Mokolee @Pegleg98 , etc. However, there would be something similar to an application, under staff applications, a sub forum titled "Forum Petitions". Basically, someone can petition for you to be allowed into the staff apps, with a poll, the name, and why exactly they should be allowed in, no format really, just a general explanation as to why this person should be granted said privilege.

    Alright... my fingers are kind of out of breath at this point, so, let me end this.

    Opening the staff apps allow for points to be made, information to be given, and to give the community more of a voice in the overall decision. There are a lot of servers that close staff apps, HP being one of them, and i'll bring up a point from there, a little story time: A scrandom by the name of Jeremy, made a staff app on HP, which I knew was gonna be shot down because it was a **** app, but, if it wasn't and he actually pieced one together, and it was good enough, and the staff apps were closed at the time, it would've sucked, because this kid hijacked some of my friends stuff, damaging him about 200$, proceeded to boot him, then me, and there's no way that would've ever been in that app thread if it was closed.

    Anyways, thank you all for reading, please reply if you have comments, improvements, or anything that you would like to discuss about this thread, have a nice whatever position the suns in at the moment.

    -Greedy
     
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  2. ObamaTheReptile

    ObamaTheReptile Well-Known Member

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    I like this idea. I've been meaning to post something like this for a wile, but to be honest, I think Mokolee wouldn't do well in the staff apps section. He posts for funny ratings, and when it was open to everyone, he did it at the applicant's expense. That would cause only more flame wars than if it were open to everybody, but Pegleg would be fine. Also, people who always show good forum activity and maturity should be allowed to post there. It could be like a rank of some sort, something like "Applicant helper" or something.
     
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  3. teawithchoco

    teawithchoco Well-Known Member

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    Before I used to analyze the apps, quoting and highlighting points of interest but not any more sadly.
    I really like the two last options, I think 1 k posts is actually good and you need to be a mature to have the permission to reply, you definitely got my like.
     
  4. chikenanater011

    chikenanater011 Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
    Though I think it should be 200-300 posts before you can post on staff apps
    Also I don't think there should be a certain amount of likes needed to be able to post.
    Not everyone can post stuff that makes people give them likes.
    1 thing.
    I like how much effort you put into this, very few people bother to put a lot of effort into their idea's and their posts in general.
     
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  5. Greedy_Bee

    Greedy_Bee Well-Known Member

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    I put that in there to prevent people who just flatout post ***** and barely get any likes, it would show they're liked by the community, or atleast have earned some reputation among the members.
     
  6. CapzMC

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    This would be a good solution, good job greeds.
     
  7. chikenanater011

    chikenanater011 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe 25-50 then?
     
  8. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    Just disable ratings, allow comments.
    That's how I'd love to see it look like.
     
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  9. Usp45

    Usp45 Well-Known Member

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    So could 'le tdaddy post in the mod application section?
     
  10. Illuminonymous

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    There was a near-epidemic of people just saying "SNN" on every single bad staff application, after four to five people had already said it, (you know who you are) so I like the idea of only certain players being able to post there.

    Maybe the applicant would be able to determine whether they wanted just mods or not? That way, they won't have to read a page and a half or more of others judging them if they don't want to.
     
  11. randomcitizen1

    randomcitizen1 The schizophrenic swagmoneymillionaire

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    I like the third option listed. We do not want the staff applications open to everyone. That would cause to much hating and flaming. However, if this is indeed possible, if it was only opened to trusted and mature members, then the person posting the application would get more feedback without being verbally abused. Of course, if someone were to step out of line, there permissions for posting on a staff app thread could be removed. All in all, a great idea! +1
     
  12. LeTim

    LeTim Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you random {+1}
     
  13. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    I agree with you completely.
    If we had the staff applications opened to trust-worthy people who wouldn't judge people based on how you like the person or not, that could change the application and people's judgement completely differently. +1
     
  14. SALSAA

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    How about you post your reply, but it doesn't get added, but sent to Signatured or Giggadream to be analyzed, and will be added. (If it's good enough) Also, there could be an "invisible" rank that simply gives the trusted, mature, and friendlier advisers that aren't moderators a chance to speak.
     
  15. SheWasOnly12

    SheWasOnly12 Well-Known Member

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    I honestly think that would add extra work for them and would add even more work than they already have to deal with. I don't think they would want to receive an alert everytime someone makes a post to analyze it.
     
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  16. Parkman1221

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    One of the reason why the staff applications were made mod+ is because of the one response many players gave...
    Short.
    New.
    No.

    It is very easy to farm posts using that. Also, answers became pretty repetitive.
    For example, members would judge based on just the post count. If its not 500+ posts (just an example) then it would be an instant -1.

    And the amount of criticism in the actual apps from replies got intense. Many people were offended and were judged completely based on their app.

    I hate to say this, but I do remember some of the most well known forum members giving short answers on staff applications.
    Take a look here for example. And here.
    "Short, new, no, next!" Pretty much explains how moderator applications worked before the mod+ update.

    And if you expect those replies to be constructive, they aren't.
    Even the most trustworthy and responsible members used SNN. And if you are an old forum/McBrawl member, I can almost guarantee that you replied to mod apps using Short, New, No. (I have, and most likely you have too.)

    I am not saying that people haven't changed, but I can imagine it happening again.
     
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  17. booflame

    booflame Well-Known Member

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    Have some faith brother, I never responded in the "snn" fashion.
     
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  18. Pegleg98

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    I think this would be a good idea, but I'm not sure if it's possible. If remember correctly, the admins had trouble finding a plugin to allow the app poster to post in their own application.

    But the current system should work for the time being. If there is something you want to say in a staff application, I'm sure there is a mod who will add it in their comment for you.

    I'm guilty of starting the "next" thing. :Y
     
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  19. SALSAA

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    Same.
    I see. Now that I see your point, it seems like too much (honestly I always find the solution that is the hardest cause my brain is wired that way >:v). But, promotions couldn't be that bad, it isn't that hard to do. There are people who used to use SNN (almost everyone) but, the last member critics were (on average) not using SNN as much and showing the flaws in the applications.
     
  20. chickenputty

    chickenputty License & registration?

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    I'm fine with allowing community members to post on "Pending" applications. But, I do not believe the pros outweigh the cons in allowing people to constantly post on applications. The flame wars and disrespect in the Staff Applications section was horrid when everyone could post on the applications. We were spending most of our time handling reports from applications that would just be denied.

    Usually the voting is either all no or all yes which helps us understand how the community likes the person. But, in special cases we can allow comments to get a further insight.
     
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