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Minecraft EULA Changes - No More MVP and VIP?

Discussion in 'MC-WarZ' started by Xenotaph, Jun 9, 2014.

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Yea or Nay?

  1. Screw P2W, keep on rockin in the freeworld.

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  2. My mother's credit card should make me allpowerful on the internet.

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  1. Xenotaph

    Xenotaph Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure this has been mentioned somewhere around here, and has gotten to the staff's attention by now, but I couldn't find any sort of thread on the forums relating to this issue, and thought I would take it upon myself to educate you all on something that is very real and definitely a potential game-changer for WarZ and all of MCBrawl. Recently it's been announced that the Minecraft EULA is about to change; You know, that thing you don't read and agree to for everything you do on the internet. I'll try and cut to the chase here, because if you want to read about this in depth with lots of fancy words, there's quite a few articles that are spoken quite better than this one; but in an effort to keep Minecraft more "Community Based", Mojang is about to crack down on most pay for perk Minecraft servers. This happens to be us, if you didn't know. Essentially the goal is to get rid of real life money affecting the online gameplay. I'd like to clarify that nothing has been done as of yet, and many server owners and players are trying to find a middle ground compromise between the 2 sides of this issue. Basically, should this go down as they say it will: donation would still be aloud and encouraged, but there would be no more perks for any kind of donation beyond possibility of a colored name, or something for recognition. This would affect EVERYONE, not just people who've donated, but even the people who haven't, because it may bring about a total reshaping of the game.

    So I ask:

    What do you think about this?
    Good idea? Bad idea? Why?
    What would this do to the community?
    What would this do to the gameplay of WarZ?

    I would like to remind you all that nothing has changed yet, and that I'm simply bringing this to your attention as an avid WarZ player and community member. Please inform me if I made any inaccuracies in this thread, now discuss, mothertruckers.


    Just some sources if you want to check it out for yourself:

    http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/27i69l/the_eula_megathread/
    http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/06/06/mojang-hints-at-crackdown-on-pay-for-perk-minecraft-servers/
    http://www.minecraftforum.net/news/1343-minecraft-server-changes-eula-a-brief-look/
     
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  2. wezzard13

    wezzard13 Well-Known Member

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    I saw something somewhere about people being able to buy the rights to maintain the buycraft purchases. This means that if McBrawl paid enough money we would be able to continue selling MVP, VIP, Perks and Guns from the donor store. There is also a huge partition against it somewhere on the internet saying that if they take away our rights then most people will stop playing the game.
    Anyway, I am sure that Mojang will see sense and keep things the way that they are. Until then, don't worry about it.
     
  3. Xenotaph

    Xenotaph Well-Known Member

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    While I agree, there should be some kind of incentive to donate and support the servers you play on, and something for the more dedicated players who do choose to support their servers, I hope this whole thing just serves as a wake up call to certain servers, (Not ours) to have less of a P2W approach, and stop shelling out retardedly unbalanced items and perks to people who can pay, instead of the dedicated players who may just not have expendable cash.
     
  4. GreenPeas

    GreenPeas The man, the myth, the meme

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    To me, this seems the best, and most likely, way that Mojang will deal with the issue.
     
  5. LallierQc

    LallierQc Active Member

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    This... will just not be applied. Simple as that. It would be a big error. Everygame has that feature that you can sort of #Pay2Win . So why would they remove it from this game while it's present in all the other games?
     
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    This would essentially, kill all the servers that have donations. Mojang wouldn't make a move like that, as more than half of the people that play Minecraft play for multiplayer. And if Mcbrawl stays up for a little longer, as you said,the whole game would be reshaped. No more always being a live. No more non-donors getting killed as fast. If the reshaping would be for the better, I don't know. I personally would like no more donors, but still donations. Mojang, you are making a bad move.
     
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  7. marcel18167

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  8. bob8is8cool

    bob8is8cool Well-Known Member

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    I guess some of you guys missed the point. There are servers in existence that have donation ranks for thousands of dollars. I too did my research and discovered that kids steal their parents credit cards and will buy these huge donor ranks. Afterwards, the parents contact Mojang to complain, when it wasn't their fault at all. These servers with thousand dollar donor ranks give Mojang a bad reputation, so Mojang wants to stop pay2win servers. Mojang released this quote, "You can do whatever you want with them [mods, plugins, items], as long as you don't sell them for money / try to make money from them," which states that items from plugins and mods ect. cannot be sold for money. Afterwards, developer Erik Broes released a statement saying,"You cannot 'give' people ranks based on an outside payment. It's really simple, money you spend outside of the game cannot reflect inside the game at all." This quote is clear that in game perks cannot be purchased if the EULA was to be changed. Notch, who remained quiet about the subject, tweeted about the subject a few days ago. "I have no idea what's happening with eula, I've been home with a bad cold. But basically, you can't charge for our game. Duh." While this tweet is a bit indecisive, it sums up this entire situation. We currently do not know what will happen, but basically you cannot sell parts of Minecraft to make a profit. If the EULA was to be changed though, people must remember that donations to keep server hosting are allowed, but the purchasing of ranks isn't allowed. As for McBrawl news, I'm bob8is8cool wishing everyone a good night.


    Edit: awww snap I just saw Putty viewing this. At least we know the staff is aware.
     
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  9. teawithchoco

    teawithchoco Well-Known Member

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    There already a thread about this in off-topic but whatever.
    Anyway I think this got out of hand, Mojang obviously discussed the matter but will never take action, the message was you probably know by a Skype conversation then someone copied it then it just went to panic. Mojang will never take this silly move if they want more players and more money for themselves, the multiplayer is pretty much the key to this game with the plugins that make it the best.

    No need here:
     
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  10. bob8is8cool

    bob8is8cool Well-Known Member

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    While this video helps, some people don't want to sit around and watch for about 17:00 minutes when they can just read what I have researched from several videos, including that one, and articles on the internet.
     
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  11. Trixtor

    Trixtor Well-Known Member

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    @bob8is8cool Just said what this video states. No need for this. Quite pointless mate :v
     
  12. Xenotaph

    Xenotaph Well-Known Member

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    GG Chickenputty. I also don't believe this will actually affect us when all is said and done; probably just the servers using buycraft like scumbags. However if it did, I don't know it would kill donations either. I think when you have a community like this who loves the game: they'll donate to keep it here. Which I believe was the point, to keep the game community cooperative gameplay oriented instead of, of course, paying your way to the top out of parent's pockets.
     
  13. Greedy_Bee

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    I'm just gonna say this right now:
    It's not gonna happen.

    Big companies can **** like change a bunch without the communities consent, like Google does with youtube... and it pisses me off, but it's free. Mojang would get backhanded by the community so hard that their whole team would have to get spinal surgery. Not to mention, they want it to be community based? There won't be a community. Every damn server would just die, not to mention there would be chargebacks from paypal and disputes over ranks up the ass.

    Also, I hope they realize that there are a lot of people who are pretty powerful that do infact play their game, you f*ck the people with power over, yeah, then they're in big trouble.
     
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  14. teawithchoco

    teawithchoco Well-Known Member

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    They can also watch the video and look at your research... I'm not saying that it's better to watch the vid...
     
  15. bob8is8cool

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    "No need here:"
    Implying that what I said wasn't needed because everyone could just watch the video.
     
  16. teawithchoco

    teawithchoco Well-Known Member

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    When I'm meant " No need here " I mean't: " Look I have some solid info on the situation ".
    Also dude I don't want to have any quarrel with you or a flame war so let's stop this discussion or pm me before " ça va en sucette "
     
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  17. GlobalistCuck

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    Stupid Mojang -_-
    I am not a big fan of pay2win servers, but Brawl is supported by people's donations, and to be honest, does anyone want to spend $10+ on a server when you don't even get anything for your donation? I really hope we can find some middle ground, maybe a portion of the profits go to Mojang?
     
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  18. bob8is8cool

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    Hello everyone, bob8is8cool here from Gingerbread Daily, bringing you another update about Mojang's new EULA changes for Minecraft. The update states "We don’t mind you selling items in game, but they must be purely cosmetic," meaning they shouldn't affect the actual gameplay. Some examples of this are pets, particles, and hats. However, are teleportation requests and access to ender chests really cosmetic? In another statement, Mojang says that "You are not allowed to restrict gameplay features in an attempt to make money." This crosses out Ender chests, since this is a basic vanilla Minecraft feature that is being restricted from normal players. As for teleporting, there may be a loop hole. The EULA states that you may not restrict "gameplay features." With teleporting being a part of a plugin, this isn't a normal Minecraft feature. It is a special privilege, made outside of Mojang, that players are given. However, the teleportation requests do change gameplay, making unfair battles. When a simple 1v1 turns into a 1v4, the non donor isn't happy that other players receive an advantage because they paid. With that being said, both perks of donating technically violate the new EULA released by Mojang. For simple changes, the McBrawl staff could allow and ender chest to all players, but give donors double the space inside there's. Also, new coding could be implemented to allow non donors to teleport every 15 minutes. Basically, Mojang doesn't want to restrict the game from people who have bought Monecraft on multiplayer servers. When players must pay to access something, it then becomes unfair. There are always loop holes in the system, and they're great when used to your advantage. As for Gingerbread Daily, I'm bob8is8cool, wishing everyone a good night.

    For more information about the new EULA changes, view Mojang's post here.
     
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  19. Phanta

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    Found a loophole; don't say we're SELLING the items. Say the player is DONATING, and we're giving them the item as recognition of their generocity.
     
  20. bob8is8cool

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    That's not a loophole. Giving players items or commands for a donation becomes a purchase. Mojang stated that as well.
    "You are allowed to accept donations from players. You can thank them publicly or in-game, but can’t give preferential treatment for donating."

    Also, Mojang coder Seargs tweeted "Donations can only be received without giving anything in the game, everything else is a purchase. Using the correct term is important."
     
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