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Discussion in 'MC-WarZ' started by GlobalistCuck, Jun 17, 2014.

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  1. GlobalistCuck

    GlobalistCuck Well-Known Member

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    I believe this idea or something similar has been suggested for MC-War, but I think it would fit the playing style of WarZ much better.

    Basically, my idea is that nighttime in WarZ becomes much more potent. The numbers of zombies are approximately doubled and it is a lot darker than it is now currently. You will be able to see basic images, but not things such as a player's nametag over a long distance, and loot on the ground will be much harder to see.

    To counter this crippling darkness, there is an object named a Torch.

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    What does it do?
    It creates a circle of light surrounding the block on which the torch is pointed at. This light is equal to daylight.
    What button does it use? The Torch can be turned on and off using right click.
    What zone is it found in? Zone 4+
    What is its Area of Effect? The light will be in a circle around the central block that the torch is faced on. The circle will have a radius of approximately 5 blocks.
    What is its range? The torch's light will start to darken at a range of 50 blocks. It will go completely dark at 60 blocks.
    Does it have a durability? Yes, but not of use, of time. Its batteries run out after being ON for 1 hour.
    What will this item provide to the gameplay of WarZ? I think it just adds a whole new level of tactical play for fighting in night-time. People will actually take into account the time of day before they fight someone.
    What Vanilla Minecraft item will it be? Glowstone.
    How rare is it? Approximately the same chance to be found as a compass.
    Stackable? If so, in stacks of how many? No.
     
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    This all seems very nice and fancy, but I think a lot of people would find WarZ very frustrating for the people that don't have a torch.
     
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    GlobalistCuck Well-Known Member

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    True, but that could be said about any item. All items in WarZ give the user a certain advantage and this one would be nice different. I could argue that a lot of people find WarZ very frustrating because they don't have full diamond. This is why I have also made it a Zone 4 item, and since in the new map there are so many Zone 4 towns close to spawn, it should be relatively easy to obtain.
     
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    Whilst all that is true, this is one that could have a greater impact on the game to other things such as a barret.
     
  5. GlobalistCuck

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    Good point.
    Although I do think that it is kind of silly that people can just run around at night killing each other without the darkness hindering them at all, and it would also be silly to just make everything dark without offering a source of light.
    Perhaps a middle ground: The torch is nerfed so it's not as light as day, but still provides some light for fighting in the dark? This would make it no as Over-Powered.
     
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    What the f*ck were you on when you wrote this ****? No, you lost me here, I would, and I assume most of WarZ, would for, lack of a better phrase, not be gang raped every 15 minutes by hordes.

    Also...
    I'm pretty f*cking sure this is impossible, I mean it's so damn complex, the only thing that I could think of is permanent blindness, which would be absolutely bull****. I mean how the f*ck do you expect them to pull this off?
     
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  7. GlobalistCuck

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    I'm not going to grace the actual content of what you are saying with an answer until you can actually tell me what you think is wrong with this idea without swearing and flaming at me. Please think before you type next time.
     
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    Okay...?
    I mean, i'm just asking how the serious f*ck you expect to pull this off, it's not insulting it's a matter of expression, i'm serious, how the hell do you expect that to work? As far as i'm aware, there's no way to edit the render distance of items, there's no way to create what you're talking about, I mean maybe with some light tweaking and blindness I can kinda see how you can get your "vague shapes", but at the same time, this would just flatout turn into log off at night, play during the day, you have any idea how hard it would to be fight? I might as well go make a fully animated texture pack that's similar in look to a rave.
     
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    EDIT: Greedy_Bee Ninja'd me.
     
  10. GlobalistCuck

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    I fail to see how basically turning down the brightness level of the entire server during night time is complex?
    And the whole idea of increased zombie spawning during night-time is to make it more difficult and tactical environment to fight in during night-time.

    A solution to the increased zombie-spawning could basically just be this:

    Let's say just for arguments sake, that current figure for zombie spawning is 10. This has nothing to do with anything, it's just a number. So here's what I propose. Current zombie spawning is brought down to 7 or 8. And then zombie spawning during night is about 15.
     
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    I was simply pointing out that he actually did tell you what he thought was wrong. Talk to him about it, it's not my argument. I might actually enjoy something like this being implemented.
     
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    Please tell me, how, this can be achieved? There's no brightness slider that the server uses, i'm sorry to inform you of that. Brightness is a client side factor, that's why things such as fullbright and gamma bypass exist. If you're talking about making it darker somehow that the players have no control over, that's mod talk. If you can find, a brightness slider in the server config files, I will give you a cookie. Otherwise, it's flatout impossible without tweaking a bunch of stuff, that would be buggy, and overall just flatout not worth it. I understand where this is coming from, the actual DayZ nights, which are hell on earth, but as far as I know, there's no way to achieve that. The only real way I can think of, that could achieve close to what you're talking about, is literally roofing the whole map, which would pretty much just kill the server.

    And to what you're referring about, where you aim at the block, it's daylight, i'm not too sure on if you can edit the times of certain blocks, pretty sure you can't, but, even if you could it would be extremely laggy, because you're updating blocks here, here, and here, and there's gonna be a lot of people with torches during the night.

    I don't know why you chose to give me values when referring to zombie spawns, i'm pretty sure I can do math, but I beg to ask you:
    When have zombies ever actually been anything but something that messes up your running or anything but a petty annoyance? They're annoying enough as it is, have you actually tried to fight in the new nether, when it's like a whole team vs another whole team? It's basically impossible unless you're on high ground. Doubling them, and then adding limited vision, would make night time in WarZ flatout impossible to fight in, and you'd pretty much have every player log off until it's day.
     
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    Great idea, it will look great if looked like a lantern in the original texture pack!
     
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    @Greedy_Bee and @Skulduggery57, stop flaming with each other or this thread will be locked. I am okay with you two discussing issues and such, but please keep it to only discussing.
     
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    I am just trying to discuss my ideas politely, without any form of insulting or swearing, but this doesn't seem to be possible with him :frowning:

    Am I allowed to just respond as I have done, and try to offer solutions to the problems he is mentioning?

    Please continue to monitor this thread in case it gets out of hand.
     
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    Yes, as long as no flaming progresses.
     
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    Alright, here's the problem, and I'd love to see your solution to this: What you're saying with darkness is impossible on an unmodified client and server.
    I am going to break this down for you in a very basic way, there are two parts of minecraft when you're talking about multiplayer, the client, and the server. You have your client, obviously, this is the part of minecraft that handles you, what you perceive, and what you do, like where you move. The server, is what controls everything that you don't, mobs, day, night, spawning, generation, and is where it checks to see if you're performing the action that you're saying you're performing. If I had a mod, that every time I pressed C, it would attempt to bring up a crafting icon, but the server would check to see if I am infact at a crafting bench, performing the action to engage it, and it would see that i'm not, so therefore, it wouldn't allow it. Brightness, is something, that you control, you can change your brightness settings in the client, it's 100% client side, this is why things like fullbright will never, ever be patched, but, something like fly works in the sense that you're sending some data to the server saying you're flying, or whatever the hell the code is, and if the server recognizes that and says, no you're not, you aren't supposed to be doing that, that's why it doesn't work, that's server side. A server can not control what your brightness is, there is no way that it works, unless, you have your client modified so that the server can, that would require that you have installed a mod on both you, and the server you are on, because it's a new piece of code, and then yes, you could, however, WarZ is an unmodded server, and it should stay that way, because that's the beauty of it. I'm sorry, but you can't have this idea work, there is no within the vanilla coding of minecraft that you can.
     
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    OK, thank you for actually explaining that to me simply without the insulting and swearing.

    If what you say is true, then my idea is now impossible so I am requesting lock please.
     
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