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Let's talk about - Raygun, Minigun and C-Bow

Discussion in 'Discussion' started by onik, Aug 19, 2014.

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  1. ItsGoldNotBudder

    ItsGoldNotBudder Active Member

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    The only reason I use my minigun a lot is because so many people have their elite guns like the ISO and the skull crusher. It is the only way I can kind of match them.
     
  2. onik

    onik Well-Known Member

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    That's the problem. You as a low lvl player ruins your own experience. I can tell you that the L118a is as good as the ISO if used right and it's easy to counter any skull crusher with a few well placed msr or dragunov shots.
    But I still get "wrecked" by the minigun because of it's insane damage and knockback. It's impossible to me (and other snipers) to Play with a sniper while there are three miniguns in the other team. The skullcrusher has a reaload time, which you can use for your advantage to counter it!
     
  3. ItsGoldNotBudder

    ItsGoldNotBudder Active Member

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    I am a terrible sniper, and I am that that low of a level player. I am level 14. Also don't tell me to use the ak47 because i really don't think it is that great
     
  4. onik

    onik Well-Known Member

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    If you are a terrible sniper you should practice more with a sniper and not use a mini gun that needs barely any skill. If you want to get BETTER you shouldn't use the mini. But if you want just to win... well that's your choice...

    btw @Everyone else: This is THE perfect example:
    Lvl 14 and Minigun = No Mc-War experience
     
  5. ItsGoldNotBudder

    ItsGoldNotBudder Active Member

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    I got to lvl 13 without using a minigun. I have experience. I also rarely win due to every with their elite guns
     
  6. onik

    onik Well-Known Member

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    You are new to this server, noone expects from you to be the best player. Everyone starts low. A lot of the 100+ began when there was only one donor gun and they didn't even use it! I donated for scavenger when I got lvl 55 and I was fine before. Lvl 13 is nothing compared to lvl 60, where you unlock the last gun.
    You never got an EMP or nuked. You don't know how you feel when you nuke with a normal weapon for the first time. You didn't win a thrilling ffa. You probably played for only 3 hours. This is nothing compared to over 100 of hours to reach a high level. Just understand that winning doesn't always mean fun. You can realy hurt people.
     
  7. Usp45

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    I agree, it takes away the adrenaline rush you get when doing something for the first time.
    My hands were shaking and my heart was pounding when I got my first nuke with the Barrett.
     
  8. ItsGoldNotBudder

    ItsGoldNotBudder Active Member

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    I have never got a nuke or an emp with my minigun or any other gun. But fine i wont use my minigun anymore. I guess i wasted money then
     
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  9. Usp45

    Usp45 Well-Known Member

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    No, you can use it, just don't let it be your gun you use every round.
    You'll find that it will mean more if you nuke/EMP with a less over powered gun.
     
  10. ItsGoldNotBudder

    ItsGoldNotBudder Active Member

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    As i keep on saying it is nearly impossible at my level due to those elite guns
     
  11. Dathamier

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    Sorry for the late response, band camp is going to be taking up a ton of time in the next few weeks

    I completely agree with this post primarily becuase of this "every second of my kills is caused by a donator weapon" (I was close). This right here is my only real problem with the donator weapons. They are SO good at killing people that I don't have time to line up a shot. The minigun tears you to shreds in milliseconds, the cbow takes you out of the game with a few seconds to screw over more teammates by taking cover, and the raygun is stupid to fight against in infected.
    The only thing these guns really need are MAJOR tweaking, for example:

    Minigun: one second spinup time with firerate steadily increasing the longer it is fired
    Raygun: overheat limit, take to many shots? Sorry you can't shoot for three seconds
    Crossbow: individual reload time, maybe three seconds minimum (your loading a crossbow in the middle of a firefight come on)

    So yeah, those are my solution ideas. Not exactly a nerf but certainly a gameplay modifier so us players who either don't have or refuse to use (me) these guns have a fighting chance.
     
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  12. ItsGoldNotBudder

    ItsGoldNotBudder Active Member

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    I agree with you on that. I have a hard time getting minigun kills due to the accuracy issues, but I have made a promise to my self, i will not use minigun until i get to lvl 20
     
  13. eric8smith

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    So your sayin we should use m16 and 1ll8a and m1014 like we did we first started and not use our op weapons u say? Hmmm now it seems as if $20 is gone down the drain but I understand what you mean, I always c4 the Raygunners (I went anti-raygun in infect like last week) used it once or twice since then, but yes people abuse the power of having the ray and cbow, not to mention my less than a minute nuke with cbow I did today, ya ya nooby guns for nooby players I see your point :stuck_out_tongue: okay I'll start using guns like moddel and ISO, op but not as op as minigun or cbow.
     
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  14. lightbulb22

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    Nerfing the mini would make sense i geuss because it is OP but i have ray and cbow and ive never nuked even with scav on and ray is a spam gun 2-5 shots to kill 1 person so idk
     
  15. iMacro

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    The ray and Cbow aren't fine especially in Infect and CTF.
    The cbow you can literally spam it into near an enemy spawn where people are running getting multi kills and also double killing them. With the ray you can accurately shoot a zombie and one shot them with a fairly fast rate of fire.
     
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  16. onik

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    I don't think it was a waste. How many hours have you already been playing with them? And don't forget that this was a "donation". :wink:
    Minigun: one second spinup time with firerate steadily increasing the longer it is fired
    Raygun: overheat limit, take to many shots? Sorry you can't shoot for three seconds
    Crossbow: individual reload time, maybe three seconds minimum (your loading a crossbow in the middle of a firefight come on)
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    These weapons should be just fun to Play with. People should "donate" for it, because they want something different and not because they want to win.

    The raygun in TDM is actually how a donor gun should be. Fun to use, but not easy to win.
     
  17. SweetLava

    SweetLava The Sweetest of Lava's

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    That's why we have spawn protection, by spamming tons of cbow arrows into enemy base only kills the afk people who have been standing in spawn and their spawn protection has worn off. People make cbow sound like its the strongest gun of all. I actually get more kills with skully/msr/leman/dragunov than i do with cbow. Cbow is a gun to just use for fun, some people just take it to the extreme and use it every game... I honestly think there is not 1 thing wrong with cbow.
    As for ray, well, we all know what it is like to die by ray but theres c4's and grenades. If you throw the nade the person gets distracted by trying to move away from it not realising that you're coming round the corner with c4. If one does not have c4 then they'll throw tons of grenades. Sometimes its not even about the guns, it also depends on what map it is, because the map could have some pretty op places.
    What i find annoying about ray is that in infect, they just spam it in the spawn and you just can't get out unless you by some grenades and that turns out to be the only choice. So ray i'm 50/50 but i still side with my ideas about mini. Minigun undoubtedly is OP, and i'm pretty sure everyone knows why..
     
  18. onik

    onik Well-Known Member

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    OK, guys... have a greate time playing FFA now without me.
    This happens every FFA game, no matter what map, no matter how many players.
    Please consider when watching this video that I was using the Jugernaut Perk and it was on server 2 with 30 players on.
     
  19. Sade_Skirata

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    Honestly, I don't see the minigun as too overpowered when you look at OSK SRs and Python and even the Skullcrusher. Yeah it kills fast, but its a leman with no clip and thats all. I do think it should have its knockback toned down and the recoil back *never had it before but meh* and it would be fine. . . As for spin up time. . .Planetside 2. . .the chaingun had the best ROF and DMG model of any LMG. . .barely anyone used it. . .you know why? The spin up time. No spin up time please. (They patched it to remove that, it was that bad.)
    Ray? I have an idea for it. . .remove splash, buff fire rate and ammo reserves. direct hits required but still strong. Some may hate this, but it IS making it more of a laser weapon, thoughts? *Hate incoming, calling it now*
    Cbow. . .I don't think its terribly OP. Shots take some skill *not saying you need to be aimbot pro* to land shots and lead, but you get one shot and if you miss, you die if you don't have cover *or luck, assuming it is a 1-any where you and the opponent(s) are aimed at another/also assuming enemy isn't stupid/lagging* It also plays very uniquely and I really enjoy it for that. I think it is a fun niche weapon. As far as fire rate, spamming the arrows real fast doesn't shot them very far, so its CQC that the fuss is about. I don't think it needs a nerf.
    All opinionated, the above is. . .But if you REALLY want to talk about what is OP. . .Scavenger. Nothing above would be considered so OP without it. Yeah everyone views it as a necessity. . .but think about it. . .All these guns save for moddel and sniper rifles *mainly ISO* would run out of ammo so fast that the usual preffered weapons would be avoided in favor of the lasting ammo. Not saying it should be nerfed *oh the hate and rage if scav was nerfed ^_^* but if you really want to get into what is OP. . .imo. . .Scav is gamebreakingly good XD
    *opinionated rant concluded*
    I will now confess I just play War for fun nor have I played for especially long *only about a month I believe* but this is what I have gathered from my experience. I never had too much trouble leveling up with normal guns *granted I've played battlefront 2 for years (7 1/2 I think at this point. . .more than 7 I know for sure) and I play Planetside 2 for 2 years now* so take my highly opinionated rant above with a grain of salt *and perhaps Tylenol if need be*.
     
  20. onik

    onik Well-Known Member

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    Watch my video and you will see why it is op. It 2 hit-killed me with Jugg on!!!
     
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