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Something that has bothered me before.

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  1. Mokolee

    Mokolee Well-Known Member

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    Question: Before my disappearance from the community 2 weeks ago, I had something very questionable about our staff system. I am putting this in the Q&A section of the forums because I anticipate a lot of drama that is about to erupt soon so here it goes.

    Towards the end of June, kjhgamer is banned from the McBrawl servers for being an alternate account of the "infamous" JoeyMast99.

    One crucial piece of evidence is how LuckyPop, a moderator of McWarZ as of now, released a video where he and Joey were on WarZ.

    However, that video bothered me. If LuckyPop knew Joey wasn't supposed to reveal his identity around McBrawl, then why did he keep it from telling the staff. He KNEW it was Joey because in Joey's little explanation video, Joey mentions how he warned Lucky not to upload the video with audio or else Joey would be banned again. Furthermore, it even SAYS it right in the beginning of the clip.

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    Sooner after the second Joey incident of McBrawl, Lucky gets a promotion of being a WarZ moderator. Now I think Lucky is doing well enough to keep a healthy status as a moderator since he's been a mod for a few months now. However, the fact that he did not inform Brawl staff about who really is behind kjhgamer has bothered me for a good period of time now.

    Not saying that LuckyPop should be demoted because after all, the higher ranked staff like Putty and Peas believe the "only way that an individual has changed is by achieving the rank of moderator" and etc.

    I began to wonder about our staff promoting system after a smart fellow who we know as Skulduggery57 questioned how specknav became a mod. All this time had I known that Teamspeak is basically what it takes to become a mod.

    Not the first person to point out Teamspeak on the forums. Tac did that 9-10 months ago. https://www.brawl.com/threads/4935/

    I mean how else could our current WarZ mods achieve moderator at 100-200 posts? Just be active on Teamspeak everyday and make a large-ass application that nobody EVEN SOME MODS wouldn't bother reading every damn paragraph.

    Anyways, here's my question. Is there any other way to become a moderator besides
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    ?
     
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  2. GreenPeas

    GreenPeas The man, the myth, the meme

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    Despite what you think, we don't simply judge our applicants on how active they are on Teamspeak. However, Teamspeak is a big advantage as, inevitably, we get to know people more and see what they are like in a more realistic way as oppose to not knowing them and just seeing how they are when they're just typing messages.

    I'm not going to say that being active on teamspeak doesn't assist an applicant in being accepted, because quite frankly, it does. But this is not anything new? We even state on the application that we require our staff to be active on Teamspeak. It is essential that our moderators are active on teamspeak for a multitude of reasons including Staff Meetings, Warnings, Answering their questions, moderating the Teamspeak server etc. Even more so now we have introduced Staff interviews via teamspeak.

    Teamspeak is not "all it takes" to become moderator at all. We take into consideration a variety of different factors, including in-game & forum activity, how helpful their posts are on the forums, how mature we feel they are and if we simply feel they are ready for the rank.

    I hope this answered your question, if you still feel I haven't answered sufficiently just let me know.

    Regarding Luckypop and that video, I am not fully aware of the situation so I will investigate that on your behalf, thanks for bringing it to my attention.
     
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  3. Mokolee

    Mokolee Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Peas. At least Teamspeak serves a deeper purpose in the staff than I thought. However, I do see a future where we will have moderators. Moderators who most community members do not trust because they took advantage of using Teamspeak. If it weren't for the pyschic blue rooster, I wouldn't have questioned the McBrawl staff system.

    Peas, do you ever read an application word for word? Because I usually just skim the "Were you banned from a server before?" questions and dump the rest. I feel bad for anyone who has to read the same crap over and over again like Putty who mostly does the promoting.
     
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    This made me laugh a little more than I should have :X

    Peas and I normally read the most important questions of an application. Not going to tell you which ones, that way you don't slack off on the other questions :wink: Trust me, we don't just accept an application due to its length.
     
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  5. Mokolee

    Mokolee Well-Known Member

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    You and Peas stated this in melting's application.
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    GreenPeas The man, the myth, the meme

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    Signatured said, "we don't just accept an application due to it's length". This does not mean we don't deny apps due to the length.
     
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  7. Mokolee

    Mokolee Well-Known Member

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    Then why did both you and Sig state the length of melting's application must be longer? It's only what you two said before denying him.
     
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    GreenPeas The man, the myth, the meme

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    We denied him as we felt he had not put enough effort into the repsonses in his answers. When I said "i'd like to see a more lengthy application" I meant i'd of liked to see more detailed answers.
     
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    What could be more detailed than a simple, yet concrete answer like this?

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    Do you always expect paragraphs of unnecessary information? That's one thing wrong with the forums community and that's how applications are bs. I even asked you if you bothered reading the application yet you haven't replied to it. If we allowed short, simple, but very constructed answers in a mod application, it'll save time for the author, the reader, and most importantly the one who makes the decisions.

    Please answer this question once you have concluded a response Peas or Signatured.

    You're on the forums right now Peas. Now may be appropiate for a response.

    https://www.brawl.com/threads/20192/

    See this? Skulduggery wrote a paragraph for every question there was in the application and it was still denied. The only reason for his denial was his level of maturity so typing up the application was pointless. Why should anyone waste their time typing apps that most staff will hardly ever read?
     
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    So you're saying creating the app was pointless due to his maturity. That's like calling up a college and saying that you are completly qualified for that college and that creating an application would be unneccessary. The reason applications exist is because we want to see dedication and effort to becoming moderator.
     
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  11. Mokolee

    Mokolee Well-Known Member

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    I very much doubt you actually read every application in which the applicant has put major detail into every answer. Maybe too much detail in fact. Sure you could tell something that the applicant has by reading his or her incredible application but it is pointless if there is hardly anyone that will read it. Do you even read applications by every word?
     
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    If I feel that person actually has a chance at becoming moderator then yes, I'll read the application, generally the questions that I feel are most important.

    But let me ask you, you would accept someone's app if they answered questions like this?

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    Question: What would you do if someone broke a rule?
    
    Answer: Tell them to stop.
    
    Simple answer and gets to the point. The reason we like longer, more detailed response is because it shows effort put into the application and shows that they do indeed want to become apart of the staff team.
     
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    That's not the type of simple answer that gets directly to the point. To be more specific, I would prefer a few sentences as a direct response over a large paragraph which most of it's content could be unnecessary.

    As an example, let me show you an application from Ollie that had very short responses yet he was still accepted.

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    Answers like these are what should replace responses that are 10 sentences in today's application (if applications will exist in the future). If we did not have applications that our current moderators made in the past, we could save hours or reading and typing and get straight to deciding who gets promoted.
     
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  14. Signatured

    Signatured War 2.0 Developer

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    This is the Q&A section, not a discussion section. Your initial question has been answered. If you want to have a conversation like this, you can PM the Admins.

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