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Staff members in a team limit.

Discussion in 'Suggestions / Ideas' started by SweetLava, Oct 26, 2014.

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Do you think this should become a rule for teams?(Excluding War)

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  1. SweetLava

    SweetLava The Sweetest of Lava's

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    Lately there have been many complaints about staff members and teams. I won't get into detail about that because I'm pretty sure everyone knows whats happening.

    My idea is that we should have a limit of 3 staff members allowed in each team. Whether this being in WarZ, PvP etc.

    This limit should not count on War because of the fact that no one makes a private channel in TS or skype and only comes on with a team, War is flat out simple. Make a clan, invite people and come on whenever you want. You don't necessarily need a team in war as you vs everyone in gamemodes such as oic, ffa and gungame.

    The 3 staff member limit is mostly aimed at WarZ and Fpshg. (Please list other servers where you think this should apply to)
    If this became a rule, I believe this would stop most people complaining.
    Its just an idea I came up with now, you can give this whatever rating you think this deserves but please do not start a flame war if you think this sucks.

    Edit: I'd also like to say that if theres lots of staff members in one team they can end up being on 1 server as they are a team but there could be like 4 mods on 1 server.

    Also thanks to @MrDasky on his idea, he said this limit should not apply to PvP as there is only one PvP server, this is reasonable.
     
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    #1 SweetLava, Oct 26, 2014
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  2. F1r3tar

    F1r3tar Highly Established Member

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    I don't think there should be a staff limit. Staff members are players too, so this wouldn't make sense to put a cap on the number of staff that team since a lot of nonstaff members form even bigger teams.
     
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  3. MrDasky

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    I don't think that there should be a team limit on PvP because there is just one server to moderate, compared to WarZ's 10 servers.
     
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  4. SweetLava

    SweetLava The Sweetest of Lava's

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    The problem here is that staff are always supposed to be on ts. Without a limit they can end up being in a private channel the whole day with their team. This could be up to 2-5 mods in a private channel for an extremely long time. I know they also want to have fun which is alright because their also human but they can't stay in a private channel the whole day and put fun before duties.

    This is reasonable. I guess I'll change that, I don't really know much about pvp as its not my type of server.
     
  5. soccerstars

    soccerstars Well-Known Member

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    WarZ I understand but then survival and fpsHG I don't. fpsHG commonly only has around 3 servers with players on, 2 being full 1 getting filled. fpsHG is also a server when you die you can simply go start again, if your team continues in the match they won't be joining you in the same round. At the same time fpsHG doesn't have much you need to do as a moderator, just warnings really. Dasky explained why not for survival.
     
  6. King_Daan

    King_Daan Well-Known Member

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    Like @F1r3tar said,
    what's the problem with teaming staff? Because they have more experience with the game? Anyone must be able to team with anyone in my eyes, including staff members.
    You see this almost in every game with teams, not only here.
     
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  7. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    This is what happened in less than one hour.
    Screen Shot 2014-10-24 at 7.58.45 PM.png
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    Team Holy is a huge example of this. Any time there's one Holy member on, there's usually a few if not the rest of the team online with them.

    View my post above.
     
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  8. F1r3tar

    F1r3tar Highly Established Member

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    So? There's many other teams with huge numbers of players in it. I don't know why you're complaining when there are many other teams with even more players than Team Holy. Plus, you're not making a strong point on why staff should be limited to a three team.
     
  9. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    I'm talking about staff members in a team. The teams that have a crap ton of non-staff players in it don't have the job to moderate other servers like Team Holy does. I don't think nearly every WarZ staff member on one server is doing their jobs on all servers. After I took these screenshots, those staff members went to another server, failing to spread out again.
     
  10. King_Daan

    King_Daan Well-Known Member

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    I do agree with you now for WarZ, it's way more efficient to spread the moderators out on more servers, so that more servers in WarZ will get moderated at the same time. I understand, this doesn't need to like that all of the time. It just, more efficient in the other way.
    In fpsHG, there aren't many servers ingame at the same time, so it's not a big problem of multiple mods play in the same round in my eyes. If I die when there's another fpsHG mod in the same server, I will stop spectating and move on to another fpsHG server to do my job there. In this way, more servers will get moderated. :smile:
    For PVP..
    There's only 1 server, so I don't see any problem there.
     
  11. F1r3tar

    F1r3tar Highly Established Member

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    That's why we have a report system. If someone sees another player breaking the rules, they can signal a staff member to come on that server, or screenshot evidence of someone breaking the rules.
     
  12. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    They shouldn't need to signal a staff member. Staff members should not be clustered across one server. I just took this screenshot.
    Screen Shot 2014-10-26 at 1.54.15 PM.png

    If staff members (WarZ) spread out more, there would be a lot less reports

    And again.
    Screen Shot 2014-10-26 at 2.09.21 PM.png
     
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  13. SweetLava

    SweetLava The Sweetest of Lava's

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    Survival, thanks to MrDasky for pointing it out is excluded along with war. If you re-read the end i have made an edit informing the exclusion of Survival also. FpsHG may only have 3 servers with players on but there are only a few FpsHG staff members. Imagine if they were all in the same team and they played on the same server together. They would not be spreading out whatsoever.

    This also making it easier for the admins & Gigga because mods would be spread out efficiently so this would come to an outcome of less reports coming in like Tall has said.

    @F1r3tar this is what i mean on ts..
    http://imgur.com/sysBIqk
    That is just an example. I've taken that picture a few minutes ago.
     
  14. Shayne

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    In all the screenshots provided in this post, there are none that contain more than 3 mods. (I don't count.) According to the post, they seem to be following SweetLava's, and the seven others you agreed's guidelines.
     
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  15. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    Okay, but there still shouldn't even be that many staff members online on the same server. I understand that moderators should get to hang out with each other, but not all the time. The screenshots I provided all happened in less than one hour. In between taking the screenshots, I found that all the moderators hopped servers. So if specknav, LuckyPop, Mojang, and you were on one server, you would all hop to another server, failing to spread out.

    Hey, this is what I saw throughout the day today, and throughout my time here in WarZ.
     
  16. soccerstars

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    Currently Mr_O doesn't count as a mod but he is staff, in many of them he is in it. It's more difficult to find him but he is online. Not sure if you count that but he's in them.
     
  17. Shayne

    Shayne Well-Known Member

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    Mr_o isn't a moderator. He doesn't have mod responsibility. The only mods that count are Mario, Mojang, specknav, and LuckyPop.
     
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  18. Lord_Roke

    Lord_Roke Forever the Forums Watchdog
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    Just a reminder: Over a year ago, a new rule was invented for Mc-War, called 2Mods1Server. All it said was, that when there is already another Mod on the Mc-War Server you joined, you have to go to another server. This rule still exists, atleast it was never officially cancelled. And I actually still try to follow this rule, so do many other Mc-War Moderators.

    Now why don't we also put that rule for WarZ? Sure, now they will all come "But they want to play with their friends, who are also Mods". But as stated a lot, as Moderator you are not here to play, you are here to moderate. Sometimes I would also like to play with other Mc-War Moderators, but most of the time when I see there is another staff member already online and there is another Mc-War Server with a decent amount of people and NO Moderator, I go there.

    (This rule wouldn't be super strict of course and you would still be able to play with your friends on the same server from time to time, but it would still change something)
     
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  19. SweetLava

    SweetLava The Sweetest of Lava's

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    I was gonna make it a 2 limit but the Warz staff would start complaining so I made it 3… This is just today, we're not mentioning the rest of the days. Plus, Team Holy private channel has not really changed in the past 3 hours. You, specknav, Mojang and Mario are still in the same private channel.

    @F1r3tar Look at the difference. I specifically got the time and date in both also.
    http://imgur.com/sysBIqk
    http://imgur.com/11BecaV


    Plus, what happened to the 2 mods 1 server rule? After i got on trial I was specifically told to read some threads which Putty had written and on 1 of them he wrote that he did not want 2 mods 1 server. I understand that the staff members can have fun but then why have they been in the same ts channel for over 3 hours? Nothing much has changed in those 2 screenshots other than different staff members.

    Plus ok they could be having fun no matter what BUT,
    https://www.brawl.com/threads/26528/
    Signatured specifically wrote it himself here saying
    "I've noticed how often the Mods are on the same server, and I have came up with a solution. WarZ has many servers, plenty of room for each WarZ Mod. In order to moderate more efficiently, WarZ moderators can only be on the same server if there is a large fight. Once the fight is over, they must separate. This should solve a lot of issues. "

    But when i joined the server on my alt there was no big fight at all..

    I hope you see where I'm coming from F1r3tar..
     
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