Neutral Ratings

What do I think?
"Putty your crazy!"

 

I completely agree, the more descriptive people can be the more efficiently they can communicate.

For example what would be better? You just rating @ehvahn's post disagree, or you explaining why you disagree?

 

Some people actually have lives and don't have time to always state why they disagree. A rating is an opinion, if you get a rating you don't like well thats pretty tough. If the person was misusing the rating then they could just report them, just like how I reported that person to you the other day.


I don't like this new feature. The thing is, I feel like this expects us to always be positive when things (you know) happening in the community is not so positive. I feel like it limits the ways I can express my opinions. Like most things on this thread right now I disagree with but can't rate it disagree... Which sucks.
I also think that we should of been asked about how we feel if the neutral ratings were removed but we weren't.

 

To be honest. i think that positive ratings are offensive.

I made some serious threads and people start to like it! or rate it funny! this is really serious and i think that positive ratings should also be removed! However, there are also many people who make negative posts. for that reason, it may be good to remove posting. but also on the server this happens, let's remove the server too! But then we can still use phones and computers! lets destroy every single one! but we also can talk, so let's kill everyone! starting with myself. *shoots himself*


Seriously... the negative ratings was stupid enough... AND NOW THIS?! for crying out loud, may i just say a single quote from an old and retired yet Honest mod.

If you can't handle negative things, then leave.

 

Just so you know guys, we totally brought this upon ourselves. Neutral ratings were fine, the issue didn't lie with them. However, since our community could not learn to use them properly, and malicious abuse continued to happen even after the removal of negative ratings, they were removed. I hope it stays this way. After seeing what has been going on with them, I doubt our community can learn to use them correctly. It's like giving a 6-year-old child a gun. Not a good idea. :v

 

Having to leave a comment with your opinion about someone elses comment is a recipe for a long and drawn out argument over who is right.
In theory, the people would be mature enough to just handle each others opinions.
But when people cant even handle ratings without getting pissed, then I think having to leave a comment is worse.

 

Think of it as 99% of Staff Applications.

Let's say there is a really bad one, and everyone would reply saying mostly the same criticism without adding anything significant except for voting. If that were the case, wouldn't you want a simpler system that cuts the fat of all those replies? That's what we did. We removed the need for those similar posts. Let me be clear, most threads don't come to that level, but the rating makes things so much easier without having to reply. Besides, most people quote thepost they disagree on anyway, but the extra voice of giving a rating to the post is something that does not necesarily need tobe taken away.

Let me be clear. DISAGREEING isn't the problem. Rating spam is. That is where this decision came from. Not "we would rather take away a non-problematic rating that only adds a little benefit". As I said before, we have a report system for the problem. A solution. Removing the rating won't solve anything.

 

Disagree was essential for me and many others. The main reason seems that people were abusing them. Why can't we make it that some people are banned from using neutral ratings? It is unfair that just because the immature people abused them, the mature members have to suffer aswell. Also, now people have to tell them in a message why they disagreed. What if a lot of people disagree over the same thing? Then we would see a LOT of posts saying " I disagree for the reasons said above". Thats just spam, but you have no other way to tell the person that you disagree.

 

If you disagree with someone's post, reply to them saying why you disagree.
If someone's already made a post disagreeing with them, rate that post 'agree'.
If that someone left something out, reply and add to it.

It's pretty simple from the way I see it. If there are any problems with this, indulge me.

 

Oh please. I already was disagreeing with the negative ratings. This just went over the top. If you can't handle receiving a couple negative ratings, JUST GROW UP. If you can't do that, get off the internet, get a life, and grow up.
The neutral ratings. Really? We can't even express our opinions anymore? Signatured and Putty, sometimes I don't have time to reply and write a huge damn paragraph on why I disagree on the issue. What will the disagreement turn into? A debate and a flame war. The neutral ratings helped me and many others expressed our opinions, even on locked threads in which we can't reply to. The "abuse" of neutral ratings is complete bull****, because you can disagree with several things. For instance, Signatured removed the ratings on Team Holy's thread, even though he never asked for reasoning to the disagrees. Nor did he for his other post in Credo's suggestion that got locked in like 12 seconds after Signatured replied to it. Here was my explanation to the posts that were disagreed over:

In conclusion I really do think that this was over the top and the reasoning to it is bullcrap.

 

This is what bothers me, without the rating, people will more likely start an argument and then cause a flame war thus making the thread be locked. I don't see why people got so worked up over a rating anyway because think of it this way.

If a player rated a post with a positive rating no one would question it or complain about it even if it didn't make any sense with the post at all, however with a neutral rating that did make sense to the post, it turned into unnecessary fights. I'll bet that nobody really cares about a rating unless it's not a positive one, I sure don't.

 

Hey, but as long as 3 people can no longer abuse, Im sure everything will be fine.

 

You removed the ratings to solve ONE problem. As @fast11471, this will create a new and bigger problem. Now, instead of a rating, there wil be a flame war. Do you guys seriously think that the people that could not even stand a harmless rating, would handle a long paragraph going against their opinion? They wil just go off the hooks, respond in a immature, rude and pointless way, and start a massive flamewar. What is the point of a forum if you cannot discuss things properly? The hole point of a forum is to discuss.

I would rather see you guys banning the immature people that cant stand a rating instead of making the forums a indiscussible place just because 10% of the members abused some pixels on the screen.

 

If I may add to this, not only was it ONE problem, but it was a temporary problem that could have been solved easily.
The ratings are an easy and fast way to show your opinion on something and keeping your thoughts on the matter discreet. Now we have to explain our opinions in a seperate comment that will most likely just blow up in our faces.

Please bring back the neutral ratings Putty, there has to be a better way than just removing everything that angers people.

 

How are they making the forums any less discussable? If anything they are making it more discussable by forcing people to voice their opinions instead of clicking a 'disagree' button.

 

Im not saying that this will happen all the time, but sometimes. Some people could not even handle a simple disagree rating. They are certianly not going to handle a long and detailed paragraph about how they are wrong. Then they will probably respond in a stupid way which may cause a flamewar. Flamewar = locked thread. Locked thread = no discussion

Yes exactly. This problem that putty thinks will be solved by removing neutral ratings, is a problem based of multiple elements. You cannot expect the problem to go away by removing one element. You have to remove all of the elements or a more significant element. In this case, this significant element is immature members. If they go, the hole problem will go. They removed the wrong element in this case.

 

You can't have a flame war with one person.
If only that person responds in a flame-like manner, their post will probably be removed or edited. The discussion doesn't have to end when one person makes a post that goes against the rules.

 

A lot of things can happen before a mod gets to that thread. In many cases, they decide just to delete or lock the thread.

 

Does this have to do with the fact that I reported @McPaintcraft for rating every post on a thread disagree?

 

They were probably removed because he spammed them. But he always spammed ratings prior to his ban. Just to let you know.