M. Brown No Indictment

I blame that the police of USA is always carrying weapons. It is tragic that a teenager is shot to death by a policeman.

 

For once I agree with you...

 

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"This really isn't the way you should protest. Burning, yelling, shooting. Martin Luther King Jr and Gandhi were peaceful protesters. Obviously they got stuff done with their peaceful protest. Once you start acting like this people see you as savages. When they see you they see destruction and chaos. They don't see change or prosperity". - subtle_bulll****

 

I find it tragic that you attempt to once again blame the american system. Remember your last rant on the US? Remember how literally everyone who posted on it broke down a piece of your rant until it got deleted?

 

So you are supporting the murder
All jokes away, I am trying to blame the american system again. And yes, I do remember my last US rant. It was more of a personal option, to be honest.
Well, everyone carrying weapons are never good anyway. Wonder why there are so few shooting incidents in Norway?

 

Okay, for one thing I don't think you at all read anything I said. I said nothing about the murder itself, just that the riots are unjust because nobody knows what the actual situation of the killing is. There were around 60 testimonies, some of them saying Brown was inside the patrol car attacking Wilson when he was shot, some saying Brown stood outside with his hands in the air and was shot multiple times by Wilson. I am not saying anything about the circumstances of the murder, only criticizing the immediate cry of "racism!" and "hate crime!"

Quit twisting my words to put me in a bad light, especially when I can call you out on it

The second thing is that if you are going to offer an obviously and foreseeable inflammatory opinion, offer some evidence to back it up. Since I have a different opinion than you, I would like to back it up with some facts to show you how it's done.

In America, there is a gun ownership rate of about 32% (sauce)
In Norway, there is a similar gun ownership rate of 31.3% (sauce)

The reason there is a discrepancy in gun deaths is unrelated to this; in America, most violence occurs in the lower classes, which are often black or latino. This is due to decades of mistreatment and misunderstanding. Black people are still struggling to overcome the rut they have been put in due to segregation in the early to mid 1900s, and many latino people are immigrants from central and south american countries who are unable to find a steady job or home due to lack of documentation, education, or both.

If you google "american class warfare" you see many many articles on how the upper economic classes are forcing the lower classes to fight among themselves. If you google "norwegian class warfare" you get several translations of the book "Class Warfare" translated into norwegian.

Another problem the United States faces on this front is overpopulation. When the number of illegal immigrants in the United States is estimated anywhere from 2-4 times the population of your entire country, it becomes much more difficult to control the clashes between socioeconomic classes which often is a result of improper messages from society which are unable to be corrected.

We are spread to thin; that is both the long and the short of the American dilemma.

 

While this may not be racism, it is almost certainly a case of racial profiling. For example, if a cop sees a group of city white boys standing at a corner, and a group of city black boys standing at a corner, they are going to most likely go to confront the black group. The problem African Americans face today is not only a problem sprouting from the segregation era, but also today. Racism is still alive and well, though not quite as publicly shown.

If you would like proof, I will be more than happy to give it to you.

 

I am not denying the existence of racism. The entire driving force behind everything I've been saying thus far is that all the hype and excitement about the whole ordeal is a product of racism. I am aware that racism exists, and it is a prevalent problem in our society. My point in all this was even though racism exists, the simple fact of the cop being white and Michael Brown being black does not make it a hate crime.

 

I disagree. I believe that there was definately a bit of racial profiling in this case. In my home state, Maryland, a recent newspaper article was published that told of how 13.8 million dollars were shelled out in lawsuits following police brutality. How is this relevant? Every single victim was black. The reason you don't hear about police brutality against whites is because it doesn't happen, or at least, not nearly as much. Many cases have shown that police are more likely to rush to lethal tactics to subdue black targets, instead of whites. I believe this is what happened here.

Oh, and sorry for my rage-y behavior yesterday. I was really freaking tired and I couldn't think very straight. I assume from your point of view, I looked like the typical FOX news reporter. (i.e. OMG YOU DONT SUPPORT THIS UR RACIST OMGOMGOMG)

 

It would appear as though you are assuming that the police force as a whole is racist. While it is unfortunate that these events transpired in Maryland, they are quite unrelated to what happened in Ferguson, where an officer claimed to have acted in self-defense.

Just because the Maryland police force may be racist, it doesn't mean that Darren Wilson was acting based on personal bias based on Brown's race.

And I appreciate that you acknowledge any disrespect you may have shown. I myself have not been the most polite in this argument, and it is good to see that you can get past the anger. +1 respect for you.

 

I'm not necessarily saying all policemen are racist, but I am saying that I think this is an example where there were other viable options other than to go straight for the gun, which he ignored. I bring up the Maryland case to show that racial profiling is very present, and due to the fact that he went straight for the gun he is exhibiting a bit of it. Racial profiling isn't the same as racism, though. In my dad's words "A cop views a black man as a threat even without a weapon." Let's be honest here, many people would. It's the terrible, awful, painful truth. It sounds racist I know, but many people view African Americans as the more violent race. You can call that racist, but it's the truth, no matter how untrue it may be.

And note: I think that racial profiling is terrible, but public views are public views and eventually public opinions become part of you.

 

Alright, I did a lot of research on this subject, and I have found out some very interesting facts that you guys might be interesting in hearing.

Firstly, many people have a false impression of what really occurred at the time of the shooting. Mr. Browns companion and other "eye witnesses" claimed to have seen Wilson shoot Brown in the back while he was running, or with his hands in the air while stationary. Neither of these actually transpired during the shooting. In fact, Mr. Brown's companion actually had an arrest warrant on him "for stealing in Jefferson County, Missouri from 2011." "Johnson [Brown's companion] also was charged that same year with lying to police, the station reported." (Source) Clearly then, Mr. Johnson's testimony is not to be trusted. Now, these "eye witnesses" later admitted to not having actually seen the shooting, but instead repeated what they had heard, or simply stated what they assumed to have happened. Other witnesses with similar stories either did not keep their stories consistent, or were proven wrong by physical evidence in the form of an autopsy that was taken of the body. The results of the autopsy shows that Brown was never once shot in the back. The reason why so many people were initially fired up was because of the news doing stories on rumors that had circulated on social media. (Source. See video.)

Secondly, let's address the issue of excessive force. This is one of the things that officer Wilson was tried for. Did he have the right to use lethal force? The answer lies in what occurred. What we know for a fact happened, is Brown actually attacked Wilson in his cruiser. (Source. See photos indicating Wilson being punched in the face.) Wilson "called for backup before maneuvering his vehicle in front of Brown and his friend. Wilson, who is much smaller than the 6-foot, 4-inch, 290-pound Brown was, told the panel of being attacked and in fear for his life as Brown slammed his squad car door on him and pummeled him through the window moments after Wilson confronted him walking in the middle of the street." (Source.) What other options did Wilson have available to him for self-defense? Well, contrary to popular belief, Wilson did not in fact have a stun-gun. He had with him mace and a handgun. (Source.) These are facts: Wilson was attacked in his cruiser, and he possessed mace and a handgun. After the struggle in the cruiser occurred, Brown took off and Wilson gave chase. This is where things get controversial. There are many different stories of what happened next, but there was one in particular that seemed to be the most accurate. At this point Brown stopped running away, turned on Wilson, and ran headlong at him in an attempt to tackle him. It was at this point that officer Wilson shot Brown dead. (See Wilson's statement.) There were also other witnesses who attested to Brown's violent actions. (Source. See video.) What made this story the most compelling, however, was the aforementioned autopsy. This autopsy (which is physical evidence, and therefore of the highest accuracy) revealed that Brown was shot while his body was in a bent position with his head down. (Aka in a charging position.) Since the stories of the witnesses held true with the autopsy, this lent great credence to what actually happened. (Source. See video.) Now, what does all this mean? Personally, I find that Wilson acted out of self-defense. In the cruiser, he was attacked, and “He [Brown] immediately grabs my gun and says, ‘You are too much of a [p----] to shoot me',” said Wilson, adding that he thought he would be shot when Brown dug the gun into the officer’s hip." (Source) When Brown charged Wilson, what else was he supposed to do? Not shoot Brown? There really did not seem like their was any other option for the officer, and if he was over powered by Brown, and Brown had gotten a hold of his gun, Wilson would have almost certainly been killed. Interesting fact: Wilson had never before fired his gun on duty before the shooting. This simply goes to show that if he did so now, he must have legitimately feared for his life. (Source)

Thirdly, lets talk about racism. Yes, there have in the past been incidents where cops have killed African Americans out of hate. However, this being said, this was not the case in this incident. I think it has already been established that officer Wilson acted out of self defense and fear for his life. However, just to go the extra mile on this one, let's establish that there was no other prejudice influencing the witnesses and jury. As for the witnesses, the most influential ones stating that Brown charged Wilson were in fact African American. (Source. See video at end in the Q and A part.) As for the jury, the vote to not charge Wilson was unanimous. Even the African American members of the jury voted for this. (Source. See video.) Racism has absolutely no place in this case whatsoever, but was assumed to initially due to incidents in the past.

Ok, now that that is over with...

This was not a murder at all. Please see above.

 

Wall of text but yeah the witnesses lied about where he was shot. the autopsy proves that. Also looking forward to more fires and explosions tonight are you?

 

Not looking forward to it at all. >.<

 

^ Resolved
Beautiful research worthy of the most prestige forums around
As @Brutal_X said, if I saw anyone who was 6'4 and 290 pounds charging towards me after punching me up and saying I wouldn't shoot, I would shoot regardless of race.

 

I'll post more facts later, but no matter what witness account/narrative you believe, three big things we know. 1. The officer had no knowledge whatsoever of Michael Brown stealing anything, and he said this after being interviewed by the chief, and 2. an unarmed kid getting six bullets is wrong in so many ways. And number 3 is that, Darren Wilson has the Ku Klux Klan and Neo-Nazi's supporting him, while Holocaust survivors and Veterans are supporting Brown and his family's side.

 

A boy of Brown's size was once asked to join the football team, but refused, saying 'I won't play, I don't want to hurt anyone.'