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Discussion in 'Discussion' started by DemiFiend, Jan 8, 2015.

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  1. DemiFiend

    DemiFiend Well-Known Member

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    Im going to say this before i begin, if you think that this is flame, disrespect, abuse, ect. And report me for such, you are taking part in censorship, an act where someones free speech is silenced because a certain individual/individuals disagrees with what you have to say, i have an opinion and you should respect it. Im not here to ***** and moan about the things i dont like, im here to address problems within our little community that should be fixed. I will also state that im open to opinions, unlike the most of you, so if you have any valid things to mention, please do.

    The problem id like to address is reports, bias, and staff problems, note that i will be giving my argument from my own experiences and speak from my perspective, i will also do my best to look at these things from a general and more community-esque view. (Because how ironic would that be if i were to discuss bias from a biased point of view)

    Im going to say it one last time, this is not flame, questioning authority is what i do because even the people we rely on can lose themselves in midst of some petty status, i would also like to state that this post has nothing to do with in-game actions, those are relatively tame because lets be honest, if i was going to write a big professional, intellectual, and structured "rant" over a ****ing game of minecraft, thats
    1. Incredibly ****ing stupid and 2. A waste of my time and your time.

    Now, disclaimers out of the way the first point id like to make brings every point into one, Personal bias towards staff reports, im not going to mention names because no doubt if i did you ****ers would consider that "staff disrespect" and this post would probably get removed, so heres a situation, Moderator A, well call him, Okami (Original, i know) say Okami is on the Teamspeak and is in a chanel with a play that he has had altercations with before, if the player notices that Okami is being overly aggressive and abuses their power toward him, the right thing to do is report to a higher authority that Okami is abusing his power as Moderator, something that when applying for the position is addressed to make the applicant that if they abuse their powers as moderator they will be revoked from their position as moderator. Now if the player (as ive mentioned before) has had previous altercations with Okami where the same situation had occurred where Okami would abuse his power and the player had reported it. So with that information this would be the second time the player would report Okami for abuse of power.

    So, giving that this would be the second offense of a moderator abusing power, you would expect that some sort of action would be made, yeah, that sounds innocent enough? Okami abused his power for a second time and both times were reported so why wouldnt some action would be taken, its not a foreign concept and its to be expected if any of this were to be taken with a shred of seriousness, right? No. All the player gets from the admin they reported Okami to responds with "Thanks for alerting us". Thats it, no action taken, so justice nothing. In my case it was understandable, i reported the staff member in a completely unprofessional way and it kinda just made me look like a whiny ***** because of how butthurt i sounded. I sounded more like some upset kid rather than a player whos tired of being abused by a moderator whos can get away mostly anything. Now you may be asking "why can he/she get away with mostly anything Papa Okami, please tell me." Simple answer, personal Bias say the moderator the player reported happened to be good friends with the admin he was reported to, who would the admin be more inclined to believe? The player or the moderator being accused? Thats right, the Moderator, because theyre good friends and the Moderator wouldnt lie right? So the whole 2 altercations are null and void.

    This was my case, actually the first problem occured when said moderator was only in trial, not even a legitimate mod yet, i would assume that would put up some red flags during the trial stage, but no because theyve formed some friendship everything i, and the metaphorical player reported is just gone, not even a problem anymore. This is pure genuine bull**** at its fines ladies and gents. Now i would thing as a community if you were to all see the ways some users with any sort of power would act twoards certain players while there pulled into Private channel Or the Livestream Channel or Room 2 People, the way they abuse and just over-all treat players you would see things the way i, and some others do. Im not here to **** talk mods im here to look for reform, and by reform an actual way to make sure proper punishments are handed out to rule breakers, this only applies to staff if some average joe would be reported for harassment or just over-all unprofessionalism they would be disciplined or even kick/banned on moments notice, but there things change and the rankings go up.

    Maybe things will change, maybe they'll continue to get worse, the most important thing is that you guys as a community know whats going on and are informed about things like this. Im expecting this post to be taken down in a few days so this'll only be here for as long as time allows, use this knowledge wisely, be cautious about what you do, DO NOT do the things i did if youre going to report any person whether staff or player do it PROFESSIONALLY under absolutely no circumstances will you act like some whiny little ***** who cant solve petty problems themselves, only report serious problems. And do it with the knowlege that your problem could easily be dropped and forgotten as easy it was for a person to break the rules.

    Have a fantastic ****ing day, and keep it ****ing Gucci

    -Okami

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  2. SasMastah

    SasMastah Well-Known Member

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    So in summary... you are complaining about lost reports?
     
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  3. ekali

    ekali Bannēd for DoX

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    tl;dr please?
     
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  4. Phanta

    Phanta Well-Known Member

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    He reported an abusive moderator and nobody cared.
     
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  5. IronRaven

    IronRaven Well-Known Member

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    You need proof of abuse, or it just looks like you're complaining.
     
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  6. Elkus

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    I agree that some reports can be dropped by an Admin because they like the moderator in question, but I don't know the Admins well enough at the moment to be able to accuse a single one of them of possibly doing that...

    But if I were you, I would find a way to record audio and video at the same time so that they can't refuse the evidence that the moderator should be demoted.

    I don't know of any moderators at the moment that are abusing their powers, but apparently you do, so I guess you should get some rock-solid evidence that no matter how hard anyone drops it, it ain't gonna break and they can't refuse it.

    It'd be easy for an Admin to say I don't believe you, and not be fond of the mod either, but if even if they do like the mod, and you give them audio/video that shows them kicking random players, being incredibly rude, or whatever else it might be that isn't right, they should have no choice but to believe it.

    evidence doesn't -*usually*- lie.
     
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  7. RezIsStupid

    RezIsStupid Well-Known Member

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    Ok, first of all: The ammount of swearing in this thread just makes it really hard to take it seriously. Please edit it out as it is pretty inappropriate language.

    Second of all: Just trust the admins' judgement. They will review your report, and take the actions they belive are necicarry. Just because you submited a report doesn't mean that an action is needed or possible to take. Not only does the reason you reported the deafant for need to be a good one, you also need to include sufficent proof. The admins won't demote people left, right and center just because you are criyng over a ban/kick/mute you most likley deserved anyways.
     
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  8. HeEatsFood

    HeEatsFood Well-Known Member

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    Cut dem bullzzzzzzzzz
     
  9. randomcitizen1

    randomcitizen1 The schizophrenic swagmoneymillionaire

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    I believe the bias you speak of is the fact that staff members are generally more trusted than your average player. You are right. An admin will probably believe a staff member more than a normal player. Is this unreasonable? No. Let's say that player A (let's call him Random :V) had a disagreement with a staff member, and wanted to get that staff member in trouble. So Random goes and PMs an admin in TeamSpeak with some untrue report of the moderator without proof and receives back the response "thanks for alerting us." Now, according to Random, no action is taken, but in actuality, the problem gets brought up in a PM between the admin and the moderator. The moderator denies that he did anything wrong, and receives no punishment. Is this really an issue? No. There was no solid proof, so no action was taken.
    ^^^ This just about sums up the point of this thread. Here is you TLDR folks, and let me tell you, it's not that great. The whole point of this thread is to essentially attempt to "inform" (convince *cough cough*) the community that certain mods are abusive when nobody is around, and that there is bias between the higher staff and moderators due to "friendships." This is entirely false. Even though this thread is written like it's truth, it is not. You cannot accurately state the reason why the mod "got away" with it. You are not the mod, nor are you the admin. Your "simple answer" is no answer at all, but in reality, a mere guess. There are many other possible explanations to why the mod wasn't punished, the most obvious of which is clearly the fact that you had no proof whatsoever. The admin most likely believed the moderator not because they were "friends", but because mods trusted more than the average player. Is this unreasonable? Of course it isn't!
    Posting garbage like this is no way to go about reforming anything. It will only worsen the community and add to the "staff vs player" drama. Some things are better left unsaid. If you are going to post stuff like this, then at least do it with tact. The least you can do is be polite in voicing your grievances. The constant swearing, general way this was written, and the gif at the bottom make it seem very "unprofessional," which, as you mentioned yourself, doesn't help.
    Not true. Proof is needed no matter what.
     
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  10. RezIsStupid

    RezIsStupid Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if that was a compliment-ish comment, or a negative one.
    Daym. This is the truth written in a crystal clear manner; this thread is pretty pointless.
     
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  11. booflame

    booflame Well-Known Member

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    Thought you were going to talk about me. :stuck_out_tongue:

    Quick question: What form of abuse do you mean by?
     
  12. Lord_Roke

    Lord_Roke Forever the Forums Watchdog
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    Random said everything I would have mentioned and even more.

    I don't see much more that could be discussed and according to the amount of swearing in this thread and its potencial to turn into a flame war fast, I will lock it. Next time get proof before you report a staff member if you want the Admins to do something.

    Locked.
    PM me or another staff member if you have any further questions.
     
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