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Suggestions for "Helper" rank.

Discussion in 'Suggestions / Ideas' started by SoMuchWinning, Apr 3, 2015.

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What is your opinion of the helper rank?

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  1. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    So, here are my 2 cents on this topic.

    Now, first off, this rank is not a moderator, nor developer or anything like that, but it still is integrated into our staff system (if you do /list), and therefore, it should have certain requirements. These could possibly be:
    -Willingess to help and assist people.
    -Having a decent activity on all 3 fields.
    -A high level of maturity and reliability.
    -Patience.
    -Not being shy or afraid to help.

    So, firstly, a helper should help other players, not handle the chat or punish other people. He should be a dedicated person that is active not only on the server, but also on the forums and TeamSpeak (maybe less). Why, some of you may ask. You see, getting used to the website, environment and stuff takes a long time to do, and it is not easy by any means.
    Another thing I want to point out, is maturity. I have seen certain players becoming "WannaBeHelper", and while some of you may disagree, people can go insane in terms of behavior and loss of maturity (even by not looking at their age). Another thing I want to point out is reliability. If the helper is shy and is rather afraid to interact with other members, he shouldn't become a helper in the first place, as this could be a bit of "public work" stuff. Why patience, some of you may ask? You see, people can get extremely salty and act like 9-year olds.
    Patience would synergize with the stuff I'm suggesting further.

    Second thing, the permissions.
    I saw a staff member mention the fact that helpers could get permissions to mute and kick people, but I'm strongly against that. Why, you may ask? The commands can be abused and require a qualification of a moderator+, not a simple randy who'd want to become a helper.
    The helper should have the essentials to request assistance, though. The command could be /request help <reason>, or something less complicated. With this command being employed, all staff members online would receive a notification in in-game chat and on staff chat, which would contain following:
    1) Server adress
    2) Helper's name
    3) Reason

    Though possibly, this could be restricted down to s-mods instead. As in terms of hacking or any kind of an action, a helper should take a screenshot or a video recording of the offense and report it. If the trouble continued, he/she should use the permission.

    As on TeamSpeak3, they could have an ability to join a selected Helper+ channel, where staff can talk to helpers. This is so that they could contact staff, though it may even not be needed since they can just simply PM a staff member. They would have a server group of helper, though.

    On the forums, they'd have to stick without permissions of any kind.

    A thing that grinds my gears is the amount of helpers we should have. Personally, I disagree with people talking about giving 6 people a helper rank or such. Why? Because they can do their best without being a helper at all.

    As in terms of applications, I think a helper should be chosen by staff rather than the community (in terms of voting), and in this aspect they'd be contacted privately. I feel like the public application thing is solely going to result in 3-6 well-known people applying and getting helper with little to no effort solely because they are good players or friends they have amongst the staff. Meanwhile, a Google form can be useful, but it can be abused by trolls (forum bans inbound?).

    So, what can we say?
    A helper should be a dedicated member that has an above average degree of server knowledge and willingness to help people out. Helpers should be the ones who pay attention to in-game chat and TS3 chat as well. People who don't do that should.....not be helpers?
    Perhaps the first helpers could be our retired staff members, I can name a few (oi) replies.
     
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  2. profbonkars

    profbonkars Well-Known Member

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    I definitely agree with some of your points. Helpers should be those that are not quite ready or responsible enough to become Moderators, but still want to contribute and help out.
     
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  3. Jaemzs

    Jaemzs Ex-Build Team Member

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    I think that this is good. I like the idea. But instead of taking a screenshot of the hacker, they should record a video, because images are very easy to doctor.
     
  4. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    By images I mean, obtaining proof.
     
  5. Jaemzs

    Jaemzs Ex-Build Team Member

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    Yeah, but its pretty easy to Make the "Proof" with some photoshop skills.
     
  6. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    By "proof" on the previous post, I meant stuff like video recordings as well :V

    Plus you actually can't fake a Minecraft screenshot (trust me on this, there are certain things that aren't possible to do on illustrator or photoshop).
     
  7. Jaemzs

    Jaemzs Ex-Build Team Member

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    Ohh *Brain fart*
     
  8. StrikerSly

    StrikerSly Well-Known Member

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    This should be a no-brainer: I agree strongly with Helper ranks.
    It gives someone like me who may not be quite ready to be a moderator at this time a chance to redeem themselves and prove to the staff that they are capable.
    Also, it's very useful for lower level players who need help but there are no moderators or helpful people on: more ranks, more helpful people, it's basic and it's how things work.
    Big +1 in my opinion and I love how helper ranks are coming out, because I'll definitely apply for it!
     
  9. soccerstars

    soccerstars Well-Known Member

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    I personally do want Helper like this. Although the /request command isn't much needed, we can just get them to use /report. Also I believe they won't have many abilities in punishing, I believe that they won't even be able to temp ban.
     
  10. JaydenChadd

    JaydenChadd Former SMod / Community Manager

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    We've gone over what commands and abilities the Helpers will have in our last staff meeting.
    But I do like these.
     
  11. RyGuy

    RyGuy developer man

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    I have a feeling that I was targeted for being a "WannaBe". But, then helper is staff. If you will have to apply for it, and it is mentioned under /list, so I strongly fight aginst not giving helpers punishmental permissions. They should be able to use /kick for 30 minutes, and be able to mute for 10 minutes. As for your first suggestion, could you perhaps simplify it? It seems like your are suggesting multiple things
     
  12. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    Should be able to use punishmental abilities or no?

    In my first suggestion, I brought down the requirements.
     
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  13. RyGuy

    RyGuy developer man

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    Yes

    I see.
     
  14. teawithchoco

    teawithchoco Well-Known Member

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    I agree with your ideas, a helper for me is under a mod but is completely dedicated to help other members who would have question on different subjects concerning the server.
    I too, can think of at least 30 people off my head who are well know and have a general knowledge of each server but some I believe would lack the personality or wouldn't be able to express themselves.
    The only thing I disagree with his that a helper should have at least have a 5 minute mute ability. If it's a minor issue why bother a staff member ?
     
  15. chickenputty

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    The whole thing I'm just stuck on is what permissions Helpers should have. Most people seem to always be suggesting a nerfed kick or mute, but then that simply leads to us restricting exactly who has the rank and adds an extra liability for us. Allowing Helpers to use some kind of discipline command would allow us to see how they handle power, but then you just have another moderator rank. So, as you said, I think helpers should just be helpers with necessary commands to contact Moderators and SMods. Who doesn't want free global MVP for helping players?

    We just have to get our damn in-game staff chat working flawlessly. Why must we make new gamemodes instead :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  16. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    Thank you so much for your reply!
     
  17. Skilled_Builder

    Skilled_Builder Active Member

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    These ideas are amazing, and each topic you elaborated on is logical and perceptibly useful if implemented.
    +1
     
  18. StrikerSly

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    To be honest I would much rather everything fixed before anything new. I wish the in game chat was working flawlessly so that the helper rank may condoned.
    My idea is this: Helper ranks will receive a special command to be contacted via private message (perhaps ./helper ?)
    This will allow players to contact any helper whilst online, and a restricting message will appear if they are not online.
    Helpers will also receive a 5 minute mute, and a kick from the server for no designated time; meaning the player will be able to join the server instantly following the kick (in regards to nade glitching or ignoring oom warnings)

    I believe if helper ranks did not have these commands they would be treated with the same authority as any other player, and only have the Helper icon beside their name.
    However I do agree with you when you said it would be another moderator rank. I guess we just have to see how it will all play out.
     
  19. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    I'll disagree here. You see, these permissions make Helper seem too much like a moderator. And it also means that 7/8 people who want to be helper, won't most likely even get accepted because of the amount of responsibility required.

    Helpers are supposed to "Help" people. That's what their name is for.
     
  20. StrikerSly

    StrikerSly Well-Known Member

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    But anyone can be a "helper" if they wanted to, but I think these ranks should give significant authority. Good point however.
     
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