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  1. BrandinoB

    BrandinoB Well-Known Member

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    Okay so I'm an ex-MCPVPer. I mainly played CTF. Aaannnddd being the big server that MCPVP is, or used to be, there were a lot of hackers. On Brawl, this is also true. I'm not sure I like the system of reporting the hackers, though. It seems like the only way to get a hacker banned is for a player to record them, report them on the forums, and a mod looks at the video and bans them.

    While this isn't a bad method, I feel like there should be more. Take today for instance. I was playing KitPVP (thankfully I wasn't falsely banned again >.> <.<) and I saw a couple of hackers on. I PM'd a couple of mods that were on the server, but they just said record and report them on the forums. Again, this isn't a bad method.

    However, there could be more efficient ways to go about it. I'm not sure of the recording capabilities of the Brawl Staff, but MCPVP had a group called the HRC (Hacker Report Channel). This was basically a Skype Chat for each individual gamemode that would report hackers. If someone found a hacker, they would put in the IGN, server, and the type of hack. The mods in the chat would then hop on that server, check them out with recording software prepared, and proceed to ban them if they had solid evidence.

    Over time, the HRC was moved to a website called Slack ( https://slack.com/ ) that consisted of virtually the same thing as the Skype groups. People applied with their email (side affect, sorry) and were added to the overall group. They could then pick and choose which chats to get into, which would be the servers they play on the most. The back up to not having any mods looking at the chat atm would be the same method as of now, record and report.

    You can talk to the ex-MCPVP staff about these method, but they seemed much more efficient then record and report. Much faster, more responsive, etc. That's all I know about how they worked with the bans, Idk if they had some youtube channel to store all the evidence or what, but it worked well.

    I would love to see this work better, along with integrating former MCPVP staff ^_^ They were all great
     
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    #1 BrandinoB, May 18, 2015
  2. Kurma

    Kurma Well-Known Member

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    No offense but I don't see the point of writing this whole thing.... Just report @ report.brawl.com
     
    #2 Kurma, May 18, 2015
  3. Smaash

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    Do you know how time consuming it is to record (get enough evidence), edit, render and upload (sacrificing your Internet) just for 1 hacker to be banned? It's super efficient, especially during peak times (when most hackers are on). Trust us McPvPers, we probably know hacks better than most networks.
     
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    #3 Smaash, May 18, 2015
  4. wintergreen3

    wintergreen3 Delta Force Leader | Staff Manager | CTF Admin

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    Slack is a lot faster and easier when you have active moderators on. It's really good, trust us on this one. ;-)
     
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    #4 wintergreen3, May 18, 2015
  5. Kurma

    Kurma Well-Known Member

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    Like 2 mins lol I rec hackers a lot and they get banned :stuck_out_tongue:

    Ok but the 5 paragraphs isn't needed
     
    #5 Kurma, May 18, 2015
  6. Smaash

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    He was just explaining how slack and the HRC worked. Btw today when I was playing on kitpvp, I found 3 hackers. Plenty of staff were online, but none responded or they were in different game modes. None of those 3 hackers got banned because I couldn't get significant evidence by recording (damn you particles!). Having a HRC would make us player's lives better.
     
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    #6 Smaash, May 18, 2015
  7. BrandinoB

    BrandinoB Well-Known Member

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    I like to explain why something is needed. Can't exactly suggest you implement something and give "cuz it's good" for a reason.
     
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    #7 BrandinoB, May 18, 2015
  8. Paul

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    Only issue is that mods are not allowed to ban cheaters on the spot unless we have significant evidence. The only people that could follow this protocol are SMODs and we simply do not have enough to compensate for how many people that are online.
     
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    #8 Paul, May 18, 2015
  9. wintergreen3

    wintergreen3 Delta Force Leader | Staff Manager | CTF Admin

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    What do you mean by this? >.> I'm sorry if I made a mistake... I'm new to these forums...
     
    #9 wintergreen3, May 18, 2015
  10. BrandinoB

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    That would be why I was wondering about recording capabilities of mods.
     
    #10 BrandinoB, May 18, 2015
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    You obviously didn't read the idea.
     
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    #11 F1r3tar, May 19, 2015
  12. Tenshirox

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    If this idea is too impossible for brawl to work with (ive heard they're more TS heavy than Skype), why not have normal mods ban hackers after recording them? I can record but the upload time is almost impossible to get through unless I let the upload go through the night hoping it's sufficient enough, but if a mod were to do it they can swiftly ban them once they get enough information and then upload the video to show to any higher ups. That was akin go how the trial moderators back in mcpvp operated, at least.
     
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    #12 Tenshirox, May 19, 2015
  13. UndercoverDonut

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    On mcpvp all TrialMods had to have recording software on the go before they banned anyone in case said person appeals the ban so whoever did ban appeals could go back watch the short clip(s) to see if said person was falsely banned and i feel that system worked amaing. Also I do recommend having all your mods/admins or whatnot join the old mcpvp slack/make a new one. The system was amazing and super efficient name/server/hack they were using mod checks then out if the mod doesn't get there in time said reporter could have video evidence ready for upload. WinWin system 100%
     
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  14. furtles

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    @KarmaLord_ What are you supposed to do if you can't record? Not everyone has an expensive computer that can record with enough FPS to produce evidence. At a certain point, evidence cannot be admissible because of lag. Not to mention, with low FPS, it can be hard to move around and ifght to gather evidence.

    @Mario The point of an HRC is so moderators can get on to the server to see the hacker and ban them :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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    #14 furtles, May 19, 2015
  15. Viva

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    This system always worked well at McPVP. You see a hacker ingame? Mod gets alerted, hops on, and bans them saving your game.

    Another thing people can do with the HRC is post videos, which is also really convenient.

    Logging hacker reports, whether they were correct or not is good aswell with this method.
     
    #15 Viva, May 19, 2015
  16. Lord_Roke

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    Like Mario said, Moderators on Brawl do not have the power to ban permanently, and before you ask, we do not plan on giving them the power. So all they can do is record and report, just like you.
    Using the report system instead of making staff members ban them on the spot is also more organized because if the banned player makes a appeal you usually have a video to show them and we can easily find the reports submitted on the report system.
     
    #16 Lord_Roke, May 20, 2015
  17. RezIsStupid

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    Ehhhmm... If you really don't want to record the hacker yourself, then you could just hop on TS and PM a mod. There isn't any reason to set up a seperate TS channel, and have our Mods sitting in it doing nothing except waiting for someone to contact them. And besides, only SMODS and admins can ban on the spot. Normal Mods can't do anything more about the hackers than you can. And if you abseloutley 100% don't want to go trough the hassle of reporting a hacker, then so be it. Just ignore the hacker.
     
    #17 RezIsStupid, May 20, 2015
  18. BrandinoB

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    That's the problem. You're going for organization over efficiency, sacrificing your players' experiences for the player that may or may not have been hacking.
    Banning hackers on the spot while recording is really not unorganized anyway. Whoever bans them can just record the evidence before banning. Then upload the video to the archives to bring out if they make an appeal. . .
     
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    #18 BrandinoB, May 20, 2015
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    HRC was an extremely valuable resource that I agree should be brought over to brawl
     
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  20. Viva

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    ^
    This. ALL Mods should be able to ban on the spot, while recording them. This way you can save the player's experience aswell as the would or would not be hacker, should it be false.
     
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    #20 Viva, May 20, 2015
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