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Discussion in 'MC-WarZ' started by Doges, May 27, 2015.

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Nerf?

  1. Yes! I think guns do to much damage.

  2. No way! Get good at the game.

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  1. Doges

    Doges Ex-Mod, Ex-Builder

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    Honestly, it is so discouraging to spend a ton of time collecting iron, decent guns, etc, only to be one shotted without even seeing the person. Honestly, this has happened over and over, and it kind of sucks when you spend an hour collecting items, only to be killed not even in a zone 5/6. Can there be a nerf to the amount of damage guns do? I'm pretty sure some other non-5setsofdiamondarmorandallguns people can agree.
     
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  2. F1r3tar

    F1r3tar Highly Established Member

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    Why change WarZ when a DayZ server is coming in the summer?
     
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  3. iZerkahh

    iZerkahh Well-Known Member

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    WAIT WHAT DAYZ SERVER WHAT
     
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  4. Usp45

    Usp45 Well-Known Member

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    Because I'd rather play the archive server than the new DayZ one along with a lot of other people.
     
  5. F1r3tar

    F1r3tar Highly Established Member

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    "A lot of other people." By that, you mean all the comboing tryhards.
     
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  6. Usp45

    Usp45 Well-Known Member

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    No, most everyone who plays WarZ now.
    If you haven't realized yet, comboing doesn't make you a tryhard.
    It is part of the game, like it or not.
     
  7. Doges

    Doges Ex-Mod, Ex-Builder

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    While the people performing the combos may be having the time of their lives, there's always a new player on the other end who spent an hour collecting stuff -- only to be killed by something he couldn't even fight against. Eventually, this would make WarZ die out or become a small 10-20 player community of experts.
     
  8. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    The second option in the poll is pretty accurate to be honest.

    There are many players in WarZ who know how to fight without being one shot. Just because you die in full iron, doesn't mean others do too. Instead of creating another generic 'nerf guns' thread, how about you go think about "Hm, how can I not die in WarZ? How can I actually get good and not whine about it on the forums or in game?"

    Seriously, I'm tired of these threads. Especially since you didn't even name the guns you wanted nerfed.
     
  9. Tenshirox

    Tenshirox C a p t u r e F l a g

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    The "get good" mentality is what kills servers like these. If you want a player to get into a game then you have to appeal to players who are new and may not be as skilled. Getting 1 shot after collecting items by a skilled player you may or may not have had a chance fighting isn't going to help. From what I can tell not dying in WarZ means avoiding everything and pray you don't get found by OP players which is very boring as there are no fights, and its uneventful when any fights your in end with your immediate death. Instead of another generic "get good" response you should try and put yourself in the perspective of a new player.


    Even so, I dont see much use in updating WarZ since the DayZ server is coming out as Nine^3 said
     
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  11. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    The only way to get good in WarZ is from experience or practicing on another server. Everybody dies when they first join, that's without a question. But only a small handful complain about it, asking for nerfs just because they die to a weapon they haven't been able to obtain yet. You quickly progress, as the saying 'no pain no gain' goes. Dying will motivate you to try out new things, such as combos or different looting patterns. If you die a lot in one area, try to go to another area and see how that will work out.
     
  12. Doges

    Doges Ex-Mod, Ex-Builder

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    I recommend you check out these videos. Both are made by Extra Credits, and they show nicely why that logic is flawed in developing a real game, or a minigame.

    First video talks about how skill should be balanced as well. This video targets normal games, but the idea can also be applied to minigames.


    Second video talks about difficult vs punishing, showing that pretty much nobody's going to spend a ton of time getting to that PRO status. While this video mainly targets singleplayer games for sale, this concept could also be applied to the MC minigame world.



    Also, in response to your point about a small handful complaining: A lot of people who do get one shot probably don't really want to bother with the process of creating a forums account.
     
  13. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    I agree - 1 shot guns are nice on gamemodes where you just respawn with all your gear back, but on a server where you need to actually get your gear again it is really unfair and annoying.
     
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  14. Doges

    Doges Ex-Mod, Ex-Builder

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    I agree with your point. A gamemode where (opinion: don't flame) one shots are okay is CTF because of how fast paced it is.

    Why?

    A) The player who got one shot typically has a good chance of one shotting since assassin is the most common one shot class I see. (for those unfamiliar: assassin is a class for the CTF gamemode that allows a player to activate a 1 shot ability but if they get hit they get 1 shot as well)

    B) The player can easily avoid the situation, and not lose any depth in gameplay.

    C) The player can try again almost instantly to beat what challenged them.

    However, WarZ is a slow placed server in my mind. It takes time to get loot, and get back to even the low phase of full iron/tier 2-3 guns.
     
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  15. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    You're new here, so you don't understand how so many threads have been created about nerfing the guns. It's extremely pointless to do so, and by now nobody really complains about it anymore because they found a way to avoid it. Just what we needed. A crap ton of new McPvP players coming in for a new wave of complaints about our guns. Again, reinstating my point, you never even gave any suggestions on what guns to nerf. Nor did you give any information on what the nerf would look like. Honestly, you really shouldn't create threads just to complain about guns if you're not going to give any advice on how to fix it in the first place.

    I also noticed how throughout this thread you've been exaggerating a ton. I highly doubt that EVERY SINGLE TIME you get good loot, you end up being one shot in the end. If you end up being one shot, well, there are only around three guns that can do that to a full iron (barret, m10, awp). Usually, the only places where you find people with those are in the higher up zones. If you keep running to the exact same spot, and keep getting one shotted, hm. I wonder why. You do realize there are other places to loot, right?

    Not to mention that pretty much the only people who voted to nerf the guns are McPvP players who've never played WarZ before.
     
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  16. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Exactly - new players obviously aren't liking 1 shot guns. Like it or not, new players are players, and you were a new player once. Everyone here was a new player once.
     
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  17. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    Yes, but so far you guys have been pretty much the only ones that complained about it so much.
     
  18. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Because most new players don't know about the forums. Most of us do as forum.minecraftpvp.com redirected us to the Brawl forums.
     
  19. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    Actually, most players come to know about the forums one way or another.
     
  20. Doges

    Doges Ex-Mod, Ex-Builder

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    Maybe if people complain about it, it needs to get fixed. All I'm suggesting is removing the combos and making the barret and other good guns do like 5-7 hearts of damage. All this would do is make the game more accessible to newer players and provide them with the same immersing experience that the good people/teams experience. Did you watch the videos I posted?

    Also, you say to avoid the situation, but that defies the whole point of the game. Its either you get one shot, or you don't have any challenge.

    Another point I see people bringing up is that they too were noobs. But, I'm assuming when you were learning the game, it was earlier in the development, and there were less people who were capable of pulling off the combos and other tactics.

    Finally, think about this as this happened to my friend: Imagine logging in, collecting iron, thinking, ok I'll go to a lower zone since i'm not the greatest, and getting one shot by a guy who you couldn't even render. Is that fun? Sure it's fun for the person who did the one shot and you, but not for the victim. I'd recommend rewatching the two videos I posted.
     
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