HG + Reis Mini Map

Unless something in the rules of the allowed mods was updated I am just stating what we allow.

 

Yea I see where you come from. But it shouldn't be allowed on HG. Maybe other servers it doesn't give you an advantage, but in HG even surface can give you a huge advantage

 

Oh. Ok.
It would be nice if you could find out why though.

 

If you allow a mod they're going to use it to its full potential.

Also I don't really like this because Bonus feasts and mini feasts were things to hunt for

 

Ok yes , just because you dont think terrain is useful does not mean it is not , in some situations i agree with you but there are instances were i would have won/lost if i did/didnt know the terrain , its all about the way you utilize it .

A good point

 

It's currently not banned, so people are free to use it.
It's honestly not that much of an advantage, if people use it at the moment (since it's allowed) it's unnoticeable and doesn't seem to give you an advantage. I'm an old player and I don't personally mind if my opponent has minimap.

 

If I don't play like you do, then please, elaborate on how you playing differently makes mini maps any different? In complete seriousness, the Mini-Map doesn't give you that much of an advantage on where swamp biomes are because they only give you a view of your render distance (from my understanding) which really, really isn't much of an advantage at all; perhaps it's even a disadvantage! Looking at the mini map can take concentration off what is actually happening in the game and where you are in the game, which can potentially screw you up more than not using the map, if you get where I'm coming from.

 

Well , we always seem to have similar opinions although this time we are 110% apart !! There is not reason to alow players to use Rays MInimap !!!!!!!!!! HOW CAN WE TELL IF THEY ARE JUST USING THE MINIMAP FUNCTION AND NOT THE REST !
And if its atleast listed as a banned mod it will discourage some people from getting it .

There is no reason to allow people to get an advantage over other players , how do you know they wont use the other functions available with the minimap ! How would you like it if i told you that an abuser could just know were you where when approaching them ??

 

What would you classify as "the rest"? Waypoints? Honestly, waypoints and map views don't give you much of an advantage at all. From what I'm aware of, Mini-Maps don't show the positions of players - forgive me if I'm mistaken.

I'm assuming that a lot of players do use mini-map already, and at the moment there really isn't any indication that it's anything too over the top. I haven't found anyone who has beaten me because of terrain advantages, it just doesn't happen.

 

Well , considering what you say i can partially agree , but any advantage offered by a 3rd party program which is basically what Rays minimap is even if its implemented into the ingame interface ! But the people using it are most likely just not intelligent enough to fully utilize the map or just arent using a strategy where it offers a advantage ! And im 99% sure it can show player positions ! My point is you cant detect it so they should just add it to the banned list to make sure people arent pushed towards using it !

Your scenario is not the most realistic but i think it really represents the uses of Rais minimap even if it is partially a exaggeration . That said i do think that the minimap offers way to many advantages !

 

How do you suppose he'll find it 1 minute sooner with the minimap? Do you even understand how the minimap works? It gives you the same view as your render distance does, just from a birds eye view so I don't understand how you can find it 1minute quicker "thanks to minimap." I hope you understand where I'm coming from.

That's probably the exact reason why it's allowed.
It can't be detected.
Rather than making it not allowed and having people secretly use it, they allow everyone to have the same advantage. It makes it easier to monitor, and staff don't have to go the extra mile to see who is and isn't using it.

People will still use it regardless if it's banned or not.

 

I agree but it will discourage further use by many people !

1. Yes the vision behind things offers the main advantage .
2. And i am a LOL veteran and I second that motion !!!!!! #WardMidEveryDay

 

You're really looking past my point.
Reis Minimap doesn't give you view of the entire map, it only gives you enough to view perhaps your render distance.
Therefore using the minimap is the same as viewing normally with render distance, however at a birds eye view.

You're really exaggerating the affects of minimap, if you really want we can personally test this out (you can play with minimap and I won't) and we'll see how much more of an advantage it gives you. I'm sure you'll find out that minimap isn't overly powerful as you think it might be.

 

A disadvantage? Really?

Yes in an average game it probably won't affect gameplay very much. However there is a reason why it was banned.
The classic one block stomper trap is now useless with this, Bonus feast's would be a lot easier to find (Gamechanger) a long with mini feasts. Not to mention that there is nothing stopping them from using the Caving feature of it.

And I'm pretty sure it goes past your render distance, Not the whole map but it shows a decent chunk

 

It should not be allowed. I agree completely with what has been said regarding that. Here is why:

If we go back to this thread regarding Allowed Client-Side Mods, we find this at the end of the post:

Now, I know this has been brought up a lot in this thread, but it is important to note a few key things.

1. Rei's Minimap gives an advantage, however small it is. As mentioned before in this thread, it allows players to find things such as lava pits faster, be aware of locations of swamps, cave entrances, ravines, and towers. Strategies can be ruined by this modification, because it allows the player to be better aware of the areas around them.
2. Mini-Feast locations and Bonus Feast locations are much easier to find. This is very important. A mod that allows players to locate a Bonus Feast faster than another player is simply unfair, because of the large advantage it gives to a player. These are supposed to be difficult to find, and with the minimap, players don't have terrain blocking their view at all, and go less distances to look for them, allowing them to use less food - an advantage.
3. We need to acknowledge that you are unable to cavemap/entity search with Rei's Minimap. I thought I would point this out. Cavemapping and entity searching is disabled in Multiplayer - through the code. This brought a bit of confusion in the thread, so keep in mind that I know this.
4. Lastly, you shouldn't use the excuse "Why don't you just use it as well." Player's don't like having to install mods to play fairly in a gamemode. No mater what you say, it gives an advantage, and that is clearly not allowed, as said in the thread.

So mods/admins, please consider this. I know that the mods that have responded to this thread are unable to do anything about this, so I am directing this towards those who can. It gives an advantage, and was disallowed in MCPVP, in HG, and should continue to be here as well.