We don't want this.

I mean that it wasn't invited by the players. Most of them at least.

 

What's the point? I don't see any point to that...

 

It wouldn't be an issue if it were a restrictive idea. Creative is only mad because of preference, compromising for Nostalgia isn't a good idea.

 

can someone fill me in on what the srgument against the merge is? i dont really wanna read 7 pages of stuff

 

Nostalgia
https://www.brawl.com/threads/43266/page-5
I covered most of the arguments in that reply, but there were some more debate going on after but it was mostly the same.

 

Yes. Why not just make a setting that makes it so that you can have both plots AND worlds, but keep our plots?
(and maybe we in the worlds too?) that way people wont go flip crazy about the merge.

 

I used to be against this "merge". Actually, I still am. No, maybe or maybe not. To be honest, I don't really know. But my opinion won't really matter anyways. Well, whether I am or not, I just want to correct something.

To everyone who keeps saying "Build has everything Creative has", let me ask you a question.

Does Build have plots and ranks?
No. So Build does not have everything Creative has.

I've been on Build a few times. It's alright, but I just want to say that maybe if the local chat was coloured white and the shout was coloured grey, that would be great. Also, to people who don't want the merge to happen, whatever you say, it's the staffs' decision. Unfortunately, our opinions probably don't matter. I don't want you to waste your time commenting the repetitive arguments on why we should keep both servers. I just gave up, because we all know there's barely any chance that this petition will make a change.

 

Stop whining about the restrictions, the WE you can use is more than enough. Like why would you need to world edit over 30000 chunks? Seems absolutely ridiculous. If you really do, just don't WE it all in one go. Seriously. Get your head straight brawlers.

 

@Potatoto That classifies as more and better. Why have a small area when you can have a whole world? And you are correct I guess, but there's no point in having a time consuming rank system.

You will already keep what you have built on Creative. There will be ways to transfer your builds. Answer me this: why would you rather keep a small area, when you can have a whole world?

 

Brawl runs a successful network server and has managed to stay afloat for so long. There is obviously a reason why they see merging McBuild and Brawl Creative as a good idea. While they may know that some may leave, I am sure that they also know that the new people joining and the lower server hosting costs will be of much profit to them, even accounting all the people opting to leave.

If a server is created where people start out with more rights and opportunities, why shouldn't we let it happen? Due to the selfish views of some that have their shiny ranks and privileges? Please, get off your pedestal. Also, are you sure you worked hard for your rank? If you truly believe that you worked hard for your rank then it simply shows that you weren't playing on the server for fun, but rather that you were playing on it to work for a rank with which you gain access to a pedestal higher than other players. This, in turn, makes you look selfish if you decide to support the continuation of such a system.

Why do you think Brawl is doing the merge? To let people have fun? They want money and profit, and money and profit is what they will seek. Cutting down server hosting costs and consolidating the player bases into a single community where money will give you more privileges is obviously going to profit much more than two separate servers of McBuild and Brawl Creative.

Who is to determine what is hard work for a person? Hard work for one person may be calculating 2+2 while for another all of math may be easy work. The same two people may find other things easier and other things harder. From what I have heard and from what I have seen of Build's rank applications, people are promoted based on how well they could type infinite paragraphs and how well they could build some random ****. For another person, these same tasks of build and writing may be so difficult that building a dirt house and writing a single sentence may be near impossible. Simply, it is not a matter of hard work, but rather, that of skill. All things in life seem to be based off of luck, whether it be how easy it is for them to pick up something and learn quickly, or a matter of how lucky that they were not born with a crippling disability or disease. All matters of luck determine how well and how capable people are of creating something that one might deem as desirable. Thus, this hard work you speak of has no point, as one person may find it impossible to attain what is determined to be "hard work."

First, look at your staff. Join a TeamSpeak channel and watch the staff. You will see that they will follow the most crowded channels. Often, they do not speak in these channels, neither from voice or text. Rather, they seek to get their TeamSpeak hours in and hope to catch some people breaking rules, as opposed to being a friendly and social part of the community. The staff members also micromanage every aspect of the forums. They feel free to decide that a thread pertaining mostly to CTF events and history belongs in the overall Off Topic section as opposed to the forums location that I have chosen (and when my thread does get moved or when my post does get edited, I do not receive a notification of who has done it, all the more restricting my ability to speak out against scummy micromanaging staff). Most staff members look through the Forums not to add their opinion on the subject, but rather to stock up warnings on players and to be an overall nuisance (all for the sake of looking like a good staff member). They work for the rank, not for the community.

Now, look at your regulars. They shun the new McPvPers and tell them that they should keep shut and let the Brawl staff decide what they want for the servers. They tell us this even when we suggest an idea or create polls against what they have changed, effectively telling us to stop giving our opinion. Many of your regulars outright kiss the asses of the staff and other high members and treat anyone who doesn't agree with them like trash. The players' outright idolizing and support of the staff not only makes the staff stronger, it also makes them feel like they are in an even higher position than before. With this higher position, they feel themselves more capable of abusing the people below them and seem to care less about the community and rather more about their rank and authority.

Now, with all this said, I am definitely not in the position to say that our community is any better. Much of the McPvP community likes to insult Brawlers in every aspect possible. They have also made many mistakes of their own in the past. Our owner was most especially corrupt, with him promoting a random high subscriber YouTuber that had a history of destructive behavior in order to just get more players. Many of our players seem to idolize our own community and disregard others simply because they happen to be a Brawler. Our players often treat our authority and staff so greatly and consider their opinion higher than others. But, I shouldn't have to say all of this stuff about my own community, since the only reason I am saying this is to simply make sure that no one goes ahead and targets my own community, as that would be an Ad Hominen attack in which people do not listen to my argument, but rather try to find something about me that may seem like it might make my point invalid, as opposed to taking my point and why I say it separately. This is another aspect of the Brawler community that is just as toxic as our own. We both like to target each other. We like to separate each other and disregard each other's points. However, it seems that even with all these reasons, I should be completely trusting and faithful of your community, right? I truly believe not. Honestly, I cannot even fathom how you can call yourself a Marxist if you do not fully believe in a stateless and classless society (which would mean no staff and no ranks).

I am full for the merging of McBuild and Brawl's Creative as it would allow players more opportunity, convenience, and options. It will allow more people to join and enjoy it, as opposed to Brawl's Creative niche community that seems to only want to hold the server for their own ends, such as ranks, nostalgia, and perhaps even McBuild and McPvP hate.

 

That's because plots and ranks aren't features, they're restrictions.

 

Thanks for repeating what I said. I said "so they could add just the worlds plugin but not reset our plots" Being able to back up plots doesn't mean they're not going to be reset. Sooo

 

You are correct in just about everything you said there, especially on the topic of the staff. I almost applauded in my seat. Our staff have had a lot of issues in the past with corruption, and it has boiled up into conflicts that have led to some players even leaving. One went so far that the staff ignored server policies just to keep people shut up about it. A few things have been changed since that incident but there are still many unsolved problems to this day.

I would like to point out, however, that when it comes to rank applications, I am not a fan of how they are done. I am for a server with some ranks to allow good community members extra freedoms, but I am absolutely not in favor of our current system. Community members like to treat Creative applications as if it's for staff. The Brawl community takes applications way to seriously, and I have expressed this in the past but no one really listens. Expectations have been inflating even since the beginning, and it's quite hilarious to look at this effect by looking at old accepted applications, staff or creative ones.

But let me also say this. I am totally okay with giving new players more privileges and opportunities. But, in order for this to work there must be restrictions to prevent abuse, griefing, etc. I think we both can agree on that. However, there are members of the community who are responsible enough to handle WorldEdit with only minor restrictions, and this is where I think there should be a ladder to allow people to do that. However, the organization of and expectations for these ranks, will need to change. That is where people tend to disagree with me and throw me in with the rest of the Brawl community as some sort of a**hole.

Also, "Cutie Marxist" is just a clever title to compliment my profile picture, it doesn't mean I'm a Marxist :V

Why not have a whole 512x512 world, and a bunch of smaller plots to compliment it? Plot worlds have some perks as well. You can fly around and see the things the community has made, everywhere. If you build something in a plot world, it will be out there for everyone to see. Whereas if you only have a private world, you have to advertise it in order to show it to people.

 

If people want to see what you've built, they can tp to you. That's also a personal preference, so not really a reason to keep Creative. Bigger building spaces aren't personal preference, they are just an upside.

 

What if those people are offline?

 

Yeah, and bigger building spaces are a personal preference too. Your argument is now invalid.

But seriously, no. I just gave you two upsides to a plot world.

1. Extra building space outside of the big world
2. Better for showing off work (passerbys can see it)

Yes, you can tp people to your map, but you don't have the opportunity to fly around and look at cool builds, because there's only one build to look at at a time. Having a bigger building space is good for maps. But some people might want to reserve that space for maps, and keep personal builds separate to save space.

The only reason you are against this, is because of your preference for doing things the way you always did them (building personal builds on the big plot). There's nothing wrong with doing it your way, but a lot of people (especially Brawlers) might like to have a plot world for the above reasons, and you are saying their preference is invalid because you like yours better.

I don't see how adding a plot world would harm the server, or create problems for you.

 

Plot worlds mean players can lag other players with certain blocks. It's just a preferential restriction that isn't necessary.

 

This almost never happens. It has never happened to me, I can't even think of a specific incident off the top of my head where it has. If it does happen, it can be reported and fixed fairly quickly.