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We don't want this.

Discussion in 'Creative' started by Slovakoko, Jul 12, 2015.

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Do you think this merge is a good idea?

  1. No, Creative should stay creative.

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  2. Yes, it's a great idea!

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  1. Tenshirox

    Tenshirox C a p t u r e F l a g

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    It's a possibility and restriction that can be avoided entirely by not adding since build already has a superior system.
     
  2. Pegleg98

    Pegleg98 Well-Known Member

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    A very minor possibility and not really a restriction (lots of small plots + a 512x512) > (a 512x512). The pros of including a plot world certainly outweigh the cons, and it would probably help bring in a lot of old creative players. More players are important to Brawl because that means more potential money.
     
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  3. Tenshirox

    Tenshirox C a p t u r e F l a g

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    What exactly do creative players have as an incentive to pay on a plot server? Build itself actually has such an incentive. Also, plots shouldn't happen because Build already has a system with even more pros than a plot world.
     
  4. rmure

    rmure Well-Known Member

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    You two are starting a flame war.
     
  5. quinox_

    quinox_ Ex-Ex-Builder, Nub+

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    Okay you haven't actually given a reason to actually add this except to appease the old players. I can point out a flaw, on McPvp build was used as a public easy storage for maps and that will more than likely carry over onto Brawl. So if you have people making maps on a plot world it would make it harder on the staff when someone makes a map that is accepted only to find out that a staff must make a new map and paste a huge job onto it causing a pain of lag to the rest of the people on the server.
     
  6. Pegleg98

    Pegleg98 Well-Known Member

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    You're not looking at the bigger picture. Everyone here is making this a plot world vs map world argument. I'm arguing for the inclusion of both, so a lot of what you guys are saying makes no sense. Both worlds would be a part of the same server. Older players who come in from Creative might pay for the merged server's features in the future.

    Again, I'm not talking about two separate servers. I'm talking about including a plot world. People would still build maps on the 512x512 world. If someone does manage to build an accepted map on a plot, it will be small enough to be copy-pasted with little to no lag.
     
  7. Tenshirox

    Tenshirox C a p t u r e F l a g

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    There's no need for a plot world because builds system is better. I don't see how you don't understand this.

    @rmure I don't think you know what the definition of a flame war is, we aren't insulting each others personal beliefs in any way and are just debating a heated issue.
     
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  8. potatoesky

    potatoesky Well-Known Member

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    I have a question. In Build, you get a world to build anything you want. But only one big world. Is that correct?
     
  9. Tenshirox

    Tenshirox C a p t u r e F l a g

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    That is correct, as a normal player you have 1 world.
    You can:
    • purchase ranks to get more worlds.
    • /archive a map, which means you can no longer edit the map, to get a new map
    • make a map that gets accepted for a gamemode to get a new map.
    You essentially can have infinite maps but can only work on one at a time unless you have a rank.
     
  10. potatoesky

    potatoesky Well-Known Member

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    Ah, very nice. Quite interesting. Build definitely has everything Creative has and more. For sure.

    You see, unlike other typical creative servers where you have to purchase to get more things, Creative is simple and nice.

    In Creative, you don't have to purchase anything or make a map to get more space to build on, still keep many builds and get more space if wanted (you can always edit the builds because no need to archive anything), all you need to do is simply just apply for a desired rank to get more space.

    I understand that Build is a nice server. I can see myself enjoying Build. It's just that there are too many restrictions. "Blah blah this blah blah that. Oh and you can also blah blah. BUT there are restrictions." It's good that Build has lots of control. Just maybe too much.

    You love your server so much, to you it seems like it's the best one ever. We love our server so much, to us it seems like it's the best one ever. But there's no better one because we have different likes & dislikes. What you choose to like the most can be the "better" one, which would be only your opinion. So please don't say "Build has everything Creative has and if anything, better". (Not gonna mention names)
     
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  11. Yoplait

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    I agree, I personally don't want "Minecraft Build". I wish that we could keep it a different server.
     
  12. Tenshirox

    Tenshirox C a p t u r e F l a g

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    Everybody has WE, Trusted Rank awards responsible map makers, much more space, much less crashing, is the median for server maps, and more.

    The very fact that Build houses the live maps for gamemodes makes it superior to Creative because it actually helps the server infrastructure more than creative does, so It's much less opinionated that Build is better than Creative than the other way around.
     
  13. ZapCrusher

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    When I joined creative it took me lss than a week to get advanced builder, and patrick(mod) gave me WE1 automatically.
     
  14. rmure

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    Yes, see, you don't need to purchase anything on creative, just express your building skills to an application and bam you have the rank. If it gets denied, build something new and apply again.

    Meanwhile, mcbuild requires you to archive one map to work on another if you're not VIP/MVP, which IMO making it so you can't work on two maps/plots at once without donor is a pay to win. Creative allows you to have more than one plot by applying for a rank, which saves money. So, guys, what do you choose, a server where you can actually use your ideas and skill to earn things, or a server where you have to complete paypal transactions to earn things?
     
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  15. furtles

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    On build, it took me 0 seconds to have WE and a large map.

    You guys seem to be using Build's purchases as a downside. How much money does the Creative server make? If you look at this from a Business point of view, the choice is clear. More income from Build. Maps hosted on Build. No rank system, the mods can spend more time banning hackers and helping players.
     
  16. potatoesky

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    Business, money, maps for the gamemodes. Of course. If you say it like that, it makes us Creative players just seem creative and fun. Oh wait, that's exactly it. We like to build maps as well but also like to build other things. Having many plots allow us to build many different kinds of things. In Build, you get one world for a map that not everyone might want to work on.

    Once they fill up the whole area and need more space, they have to use money or archieve their world to get a new one. Sounds okay so far, right? What if the person wants to go back to the archieved one and edit something. I'm not familar with Build so I may be wrong, but from everything I've read on this thread about Build, that's what I got.

    However, mentioning any of these won't matter since it's just about the money. I thought the staff wanted to make our community happy but okay. I no longer want to argue. I understand it's all just about the money.
     
  17. Tenshirox

    Tenshirox C a p t u r e F l a g

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    You can easily get more land for free, all you have to do is work hard and contribute to Brawl to get your maps accepted to gain more land. It's just a bit of hard work to get another map and being indecisive about when to /archive is a player issue.

    Wait...It takes hard work to get more maps on build? It takes time, dedication, and effort?

    Sounds familiar...
     
  18. Andrwe

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    I am amazed at how controversial this is actually. I thought it would be clear cut one way or another. Personally I think that if creative maps are going to be put on build, then it is only positive. That's just me, I rarely use build or creative anyways.
     
  19. F1r3tar

    F1r3tar Highly Established Member

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    This is essentially the wool vs banner argument all over again.
     
  20. rmure

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    Congratulations, you posted that already; why post it again?
     
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