Posting Server Ideas = Waste Of Time

Wow...

 

Yeah there's some truth to that... but I like to post ideas cause it makes me sound intelligent

 

- The /tag feature has been suggested here - implented by @NomNuggetNom
- A war update has been suggested by multiple threads in the Server Idea section - War maps and guns have been updated
- Better/more zombies in WarZ have been suggested here - implented by @Signatured / @Mario
- You were able to decide if you want unfair buildings in WarZ to be balanced here - implented in a recent update
- You were able to decide if instakills on CTF should be kept or removed here

Those are just a few examples of suggestions we implented and threads that show the staff and the developers do care about the community.
Of course only a low percentage of the suggestions in all the Server Idea subforums are implented, but this is also because many of the ideas are impossible or very complicated to code, don't fit the server, are disliked by the majority of the community or unnecessary.

You can't just go and say "Let's fix some lag today!". Lag can have multiple reasons stretching from a code problem over outdated code to general Minecraft issues. Code bugs are hard to find, outdated code would need to be rewritten completely to make it more efficient which requires lots of times.
The developers are actively working on reducing the lag - just recently a developer discovered a bug in Mc-War and PvP Survival that caused unneeded chunks not to unload. This bug was patched and thats also the reason Mc-War and Survival have less lag nowadays.

Of course we care about the community and we would all love if War 2.0 was released. But a server like War is one of the most complex projects you can code in Minecraft and thus requires a lot of times. The complexity also causes many bugs that need to be resolved before the server can be released. Here you can get a view on the database parts of War 2.0, proving that we do work on the server.

 

so #soon

 

Remember when we had the power to choose a kit to be coded on McPvP? Adventurer won by quite a lot, and as soon as it was implemented there were so many complaints about how OP and UP it was.
I feel as if that is pretty relevant.

 

Adventurer got a lot of votes because it was a popular (and OP) concept - it looked good if you didn't think about the kit at all - but it was actually a really awful, not to mention dumb, idea when it was implemented.

Generally speaking, it's a bad idea to have the most popular idea get voted in as the idea that gets coded because a lot of people just say "oh that looks cool!" and then vote for the option with almost no other consideration about it. Trusting in votes like that is not a good way to decide what things should get added to a gamemode.

 

No coding is impossible. In 1997 real time strategy game Total Annihilation was the first to have true 3D graphics (for real time strategy game). Lifelike graphics were thought to be impossible, but in 1998 or so final fantasy proved everyone wrong. Lifelike animated movies were thought to be impossible, but final fantasy proved them wrong again in 2004 I think. Scary games were thought to be impossible, but resident evil 1.0 and silent hill proved them wrong. Creating online multiplayer was thought it will never come alive, but it did in he 1990s. So that means you can do something the player suggested and code it.

 

Conclusion: Stop whining they aren't slaves and 90% of ideas are practically like 'Yo add helicopters and aliens and spaceships and monkeys that shoot bacon lasers from their butts!' Like its not gonna happen for 2 reasons
1. Its literally impossible to code.
2. Its OP / Useless.

 

Brawl is a single company with limited ressources. The additions that are coded need to be worth it, so the coders can't spend a ton of time on a single feature.
And there are actually a few things we can not do - we use vanilla Minecraft as the basis for the servers, for some additions you would have to use a clientside modification. One example is adding a new block.

 

Cavedog (total annihilation creator) had limited time and resources. Final Fantasy has limited resources too. And also, you can create texture packs or mods to create new blocks. No code is impossible!

 

Going this kind of complicated and hard project is usually a huge risk as well if it doesn't turn out to be as good as expected in the end or if it doesn't work.
I think both the community and the staff team would prefer if the coders focus on additions they know they can do.

This discussion about the possibility of server ideas is not really the original topic, if you want to discuss this issue any further please send me a PM.

 

Eh, I don't know. I made a thread a long time ago about moderators and super-mods having to post something on mod apps before they were denied, so the applicant would get some feedback and how to do better the next time he/she decides to apply. Before that, there were MANY applications without replies.

I don't think the staff really has time to implement every decent server idea/suggestion, when they're already working on the 'Future of Brawl' and everything. I mean, they just released two decent sized updates on two of the most popular Brawl servers. I don't see this to be that big of a problem to be honest.

 

The lifelike movie thing was inhibited by console limitations and it was animating not coding. I see your point though.

 

I don't think they'd want to make a random block from a mod (unless it makes it extreme, which is like pixelmon, which is coming #soon) but other than that, I doubt they'd implement that.

 

My next question for you would be, why do you keep pumping out these new game modes, when the community wants War and WarZ to be fixed. Now I hope to not sound condescending here, (and correct my if I'm wrong), no one, asked for these new game modes, yet since they were "easy" and you guys barely did anything due to them already being coded, you added them. From my understanding, lots of people wanted the staff to perfect war, before anything else was added. War is one of the best game modes ever created on a Minecraft server, and I don't think that the staff have milked it's greatness enough yet. add more stuff, fix things, and I guarantee you'll see higher player count, and more happy people.

Yes, I'm quoting myself here: "For example, you're a ginnea-pig, testing ice-cream flavors. If they keep feeding you the same flavor, but make it better everytime, you give that flavor a high rating at the end of the tests. But if they feed you 20 different Alpha flavors, you're not gunna like some of them, making the success rate of the flavors something like 15/20. Compare that to the 10/10 you gave the one flavor, and it seems like you get a higher success rate perfecting that one flavor. It gets confusing, but in the end, all this means that we, as Minecraftians, want QUALITY, functioning servers, not 20, flimsy, half-assed servers."

 

Most of what i wanted to say is stated above. I like the ideas and some I disagree on but still, good job.

 

My point is it's possible

 

They do add the odd feature every now and then. Besides, just because you post a half-decent idea that seems spectacularly awesome to you, doesn't mean it will get implemented. Yeah sure, a lot of good ideas don't get implemented, but thats because there is a good reason for it. Most of the ideas generally aren't that good and explained enough in detail. And for the small portion that are, they tend to be too difficult, or even impossible to code, and/or not fitting with the rest of the server.

It is actually extremely rare that someone posts an idea that is brilliant to most people, explained in detail, possible to code and suited to the server. Only ideas such as these get implemented. And even if your idea will get implemented, don't expect it to happen straight away as it can take many months.