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Discussion in 'Creative' started by Intincrui, Sep 17, 2015.

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  1. Intincrui

    Intincrui Well-Known Member

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    Recently, I have seen a lot of threads regarding the merge, specially a lot of threads entitled "Please keep creative". I thought I'd clear this up, sorry guys but there's no turning back now, I've heard from moderators that the merge is almost complete and I guess this is sort of a goodbye to creative.

    It's been a great 6 months with creative. Climbing the ranks and meeting new helpful people has been a total blast. I really hope the great creative community can stick together even through these hard times.

    So what do you guys think of the merge?

    Comment below, thought I'd make a thread so these topics can be discussed.
     
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  2. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I don't know much about the merge since I'm relatively new to the forums, but it is sad to see creative go (if it is in fact going away). Isn't creative just like mcbuild though? I don't understand the difference.
     
  3. Sir_Inge

    Sir_Inge Well-Known Member

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    Mc build is way more map-making friendly than creative. And more noob friendly. And more experienced builder friendly. The rank system really shut down new players on creative.
     
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  4. Intincrui

    Intincrui Well-Known Member

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    The merge is happening relatively soon and is when build is taking over creative. It is not clear, but builders are thought to have the ability to copy and paste current builds into the new server (I am unaware to as this this will work).

    No, creative and build are similar but not the same. On creative you have a plot and there is a rank system in which you are judged by your builds and your application to as whether or not you can advance.

    On build you have a whole world to build in, it is therefore better for creating maps. But everyone has acess to world edit, and there is no rank system.
     
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  5. PikaFX

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    Yeah, I agree a bit with Inge.
     
  6. Compositions

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    Why keep an outdated server when we have one that's out of beta, up-to-date (you can use 1.8 blocks), and has more of a map-making feel to it (basically the point of building imo), and there isn't a rank system, which means free world edit. If you want to just have a good time building with friends, then do it! Everyone complains about not having a plot based server but then again, do you really want to see either empty maps or inappropriate / not the greatest looking maps right beside yours? You can easily just tp to your friends, in fact, it's easier to tp on Build than on Creative because the person you are tping to doesn't have to accept the request to tp. You don't have to worry about being too far away from a friend to see chat, because as long as you are at the same map, even if you are 500 blocks away, you can see what they have to say. Plus, global chat is open to everyone, so just use /g then type your message and everyone on whichever Build server you are on at the time can see it.

    All in all, why pay for 2 servers that do the exact same thing with a couple more perks / advantages on one of them?
     
  7. ShinyLeafeon

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    Is the merge today?
     
  8. Sir_Inge

    Sir_Inge Well-Known Member

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    No
     
  9. Daveeeeeeeee

    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member

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    Guys stop the threads about the merge.
    McBuild you should try before making these judgements.
    Basically it is way more map making friendly (full worlds, 1.8 blocks and everyone gets w.e)
    so yea
     
  10. MiloAnderson

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    As one who has been on both game modes, but does not consider myself a map maker at this point at all I see creative and build in a completely different way.

    As someone who came to brawl for its Creative mode specifically I feel there are differences not mentioned above because perhaps everyone is focused on operations and not some of the things that have nothing to do with updates and world edit.

    My personal opinion is Mc Build is great for those who want to be map builders or have a partial to full understanding of world edit. IMO the personality on the communities are different. So I purpose to look at Creative from a different perspective, even though I'm fully aware it will be going away.

    Creative has a community based on a group of eclectic people who range in age from -7 and up. Primarily I would say those interested in build are those serious builders who just want to do maps. Creative are people who like to build random ideas, parkour, pixel art, statues, random houses and neighborhoods, games like FNAF, skin comps, and yes there are those with world edit who just like to build alone to see what their imagination can create. I believe Creative serves a group of players who like to do these things and Build is again about serious builds and maps.

    Rank, this is something that bothers me more then anything, this hang up everyone thinks is why the Creative community is up in arms about the merge. I can speak for myself here. I know builders on Creative who could easily get WEPro but have no desire to apply and are happy as builder. For myself it isnt about being better then someone else its about being better then I am, I'm super competitive in my own mind, especially as an only child. I constantly want to out do, or push myself to the next level. World Edit is an achievement, not a haha I'm better then you. Maybe some see it that way, but I feel when looking at ranks there are a mixed bag of people whose reasons are different. I personally would love for everyone to stop begin so negative about rank. In build it can be said the same for those who apply for a build team. Which team you apply for, vs a bunch of players coming together to build a map. Do those who apply for a team want to be recognized, feel special, have builder or creator in their name?

    I think if it were feasible to keep both it would have been better. Those focused on building maps, consistently using We, in the pre teen to late teen age group vs Creative building by hand and having land with a mix match of stuff, beginners, silly skin comps, younger players and those more experienced players who might want to work maps but not as a full time goal. Each niche' would have their place of interest. Food for thought. There are plenty of servers with Creative with ranks and free access to WE. This isn't a merge it's the beginning of Build and the shut down of Creative. A merge takes elements from both and brings it together.
     
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  11. quinox_

    quinox_ Ex-Ex-Builder, Nub+

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    You stated that build isn't suited for people who want to make random buildings and you are very wrong, you get a world to fill with anything you want, if you decided you dislike the world you may delete it and start anew.

    You also said that the ranks are not for pride of feeling better than others when in reality that is all they can be; you can't get these ranks unless you improve in the eyes of others and therefore are superior. If you truly were building to feel like you were improving these ranks should mean no more than allowing you to have WE. This problem is resolved with the removal of ranks on build and instead implementing WE for everyone; regardless if they are capable or determined to use it or not.

    The idea of keeping Creative does not provide any reasons other than separation of two playerbases. This separation promotes arguments like these complaining and bickering which server is better and negative opinions on both sides. To finish this rank I would like to define a word.
    MERGE- combine or cause to combine to form a single entity.
    By this definition there is no real bias that parts of one entity must be kept and added to the other entity. Rather think of Build as an upgrade to an old server and giving a new opportunity to make Brawl a better server with a wider variety of tools available to the players.
     
  12. MiloAnderson

    MiloAnderson Active Member

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    There is no arguement, this is an opinion.

    I find it ironic how your opinion on rank is to state it is a supposed problem in Creative. You state build has resolved this issue by removing rank. Yet I can't help to notice you have the title of "Build Team" below your name, as well in the member section, under staff their is a section for "Build Team," including an application process to become part of a Build Team, Brawls build team, as well as others that shall crop up. So my question is how does this rank and identification differ, if not only to be larger by being noticed server wide.

    Yes, we can build anything a player would like, destroy and start over. We can clear plots in creative and start over as well.

    The extreme contrast in opinion on this topic makes one thing apparent there are two separate communities of thought, with on fact clear, Creative will continue to exist. Maybe not as a server on Brawl but in the minds of all of who have imagination and the desire to continue to use minecraft as a medium to express it for everyone to see.
     
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  13. Champloo

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    Such a shame Brawl ruined this for the Creative Community..
     
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  14. Primeste

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    My opinion is creative is kind of for those simple builds or terraforms people want to master like its a server to master building houses and terraforms and World Edit which is the most fun to master and help people with honestly. MC Build is a server for map makers and I personally am not a map maker I an never be on cause my mind doesn't go into creative places like that it sticks to basic ideas that can be transformed into bigger things.

    Build has world edit for all yes but its probably the crappiest world edit in the whole world. It spams chat and takes way to long to do but on creative its like 1 2 3 boom you have this nice plot. You can also get more as you rank up but they want you to pay money for another map no one is going to do that its just stupid. We can all find a new server as easily as we can paying for a map. I also think the idea of having everyone get world edit is really really stupid. The server is going to crash so much no matter what. On creative we had to apply with all the maturity and responsibility we had to get a rank we deserved and now we are just kissing it good bye. Like there was no point at all if this was just going to happen.

    Creative is a server for like free fun builds and everything like that but if we are on build it is basically pro map makers trying to make something they never thought possible. I used creative as a basic outline for my builds on my larger plots and my small plots are filled with things from rank applications to things I love and worked really hard on. I know this is my own opinion but most people from creative from the beginning to end like me we all hate it to see creative go. Some people may love it but most of us hate it with a sole passion.

    I just think in general build sucks and I hate the community cause its non stop spam in global and world edit and its annoying sorry.
     
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  15. Intincrui

    Intincrui Well-Known Member

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    ^ agreed
     
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  16. ShinyLeafeon

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    Yeah I'm not much of the "MCBuild" person.

    I mean, you only get one plot for building on it and you need to pay for more maps, which in my opinion, is kind of... dumb. Plus, the plots are 500 x 500 and the WE Pro plots in Creative are like 700X700 right? I find MCBuild not the time than Creative, cuz on creative, there is more stuff to do, more plots to build on, and that was the one of the most popular building servers on brawl. Sense the "merge" may be happening this month or even next month, I have a feeling that a lot of Brawlers are going to quit Brawl, or play MCBuild with ONLY 1 plot with like not a lot of space for building.

    You see, I am working on a modern CTF map for Capture the Flag (Possibly won't get in) and I have a feeling there won't be enough space to add other creative builds on my map SENSE IT IS JUST 1 PLOT AND I NEED LIKE A RANK TO GET MORE. I even had a lot of good builds on Creative, and that might have just gone down the drain for me. I never got to finish!
     
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  17. nezzr

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    I love creative, and it will always be my true home on Brawl but all good things come to an end. I have some great memories from creative many friends and many laughs and smiles. But frankly it's time to say goodbye and make new friends, new memories. Whether you like build or not it's overall better for the Brawl community creative is outdated and "unfair" to others without world edit. Build provides world edit for all (even know it's not the best) global chat for everyone without the hassle of applying for a rank. I think it's time to say goodbye to creative and be optimistic about the future of creative and build.
     
  18. _Nia_

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    Even though world edit on Build takes longer, don't you want everyone to have world edit? To me the rank system was a little over whelming people made threads titled like; "Should We1+ Have Shout Only," some people used the rank system on creative to suggest that beacons wouldn't be allowed to builders ect.

    I know that it will be hard to leave Creative but there's like 13 main threads with 60+ replies and others with 15-27 replies. It may be easier to just make one big thread instead of making a lot of small threads so the creative section won't get clogged up.
     
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