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Discussion about the AK-47 & AA-12

Discussion in 'MC-WarZ' started by Piky, Oct 23, 2015.

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  1. Piky

    Piky Well-Known Member

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    So there was a comment about @Ritzy,
    So lets get down into stat wise.
    And for godsakes people, if you're wanting a change, make actual ideas to help instead of short comments.

    AK-47

    Fire Rate 400 RPM
    Fire Mode Fully automatic
    Reload Time 3 seconds
    Magazine Size 30
    Damage 40
    Recoil Low-medium
    Range 200
    Hip Accuracy Very low
    Aimed Accuracy Medium-high

    Okay, lets assume the accuracy of this weapon is between 0.4-0.7 or somewhere around those. What does this mean? "Low" means that its accuracy will be not so well. If you look at the AK-47, it doesn't have the best accuracy when scoped in. The accuracy of this should be 0.25 so that the accuracy doesn't spread as far.
    Lets get down to the shortened problems:
    -Accuracy when scoped in isn't that great and people can heal quickly enough.
    Aimed Accuracy Medium-high > 0.25

    AA-12

    Fire Rate 300 RPM
    Fire Mode Fully automatic
    Reload Time 2.9 seconds
    Magazine Size 12
    Damage Low-medium
    Recoil Low-medium
    Range 12
    Hip Accuracy Very low
    Aimed Accuracy Very low

    We all know you were going to be useless... Seriously, look at the damage and range and accuracy. It's all a mess of super low tier. It does useless damage and you have to be at pointblank range in-order to get all the pellets to hit, the fact that half of the pellets will miss, it seems very useless.
    Lets buff it shall we?

    Fire Rate 300 RPM
    Fire Mode Fully automatic
    Reload Time 2.9 seconds > 1.2
    Magazine Size 12
    Damage Low-medium (??x?) > 10x10
    Recoil Low-medium
    Range 12 > 18
    Hip Accuracy Very low > Medium-high
    Aimed Accuracy Very low > Medium-high

    Tell me what you think.
    I see you "it's fine, don't buff pls" & short without any help to this comments...
     
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  2. Ritzy

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  3. amazingallen234

    amazingallen234 Former Jmod | Wild West

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    I actually do want an aa12 buff. Many times, I've only found an aa12 and have no choice but to use it so I can actually protect myself. The damage buff is nice, but since it's only Tier 2, the damage buff is a little too much.

    For comparison:
    Barret: 150 dmg
    aa12 (buffed) 14x10 = 140 dmg

    And yes, I agree that the wiki needs to put actual stats of accuracy and damage.
     
  4. CYKABLYATCYKAcyk

    CYKABLYATCYKAcyk Well-Known Member

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    Well, I couldn't explain it better myself :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  5. Piky

    Piky Well-Known Member

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    I'm having trouble of figuring out if 14x10 (140) would be even good for it but that would render the M10 slightly useless. 9x10 maybe?
     
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    amazingallen234 Former Jmod | Wild West

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    9x10 sounds like a more reasonable dmg amount, but the devs might make it something like 8x10 or 7x10...
     
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    The problem is in the knockback, not the accuracy.
    Look at any 2014 WarZ video.
     
  8. Piky

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    Hopefully it's not worse than 9x10, 10x10 would be great though.
    So lets assume that when somebody uses the AA-12 is fighting a full iron (60% damage reduction), each bullet will be reduced down to 3.6 per pellet (36), so if most of them were headshots (7.2x10 = 72). So lets assume that 7 of the bullets hit, 4 of those are headshots, so an average of 39.6 damage. But the knockback of the pellets will cause a problem to this. :c
     
  9. amazingallen234

    amazingallen234 Former Jmod | Wild West

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    I didn't take armor into account. I always seem to forget that...

    But I agree, 10x10 would be pretty good.
     
  10. Kurma

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    The ak is fine in my opinion.. now a days its not the guns, its people eating food like they are pigs
     
  11. Piky

    Piky Well-Known Member

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    Lemme just goup down a few pasta cans after sustaining a Barret .50 Cal to the face along with my chest being blown open by shotguns, who needs medicine anyways.
    What if there was a much longer delay between using food and it was slightly nerfed and bloodbags weren't useless?
     
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    These are ideas for 2.0, 1.0 was never meant to be realistic.
     
  13. Piky

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    That would make sense, my bad :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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    WarSkater Rob // MC-WarZ Hardcore Crafter

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    It's a-okay, I'm liking what you're putting down though
     
  15. Kurma

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    Pikmin u have great ideas for the realistic (2.0) point of warz.. but the thing is.. will it ever come out :v
     
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    In the next forever or whenever they have time to code it after WildWest & War :3
     
  17. Kurma

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    ikr :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  18. nicolecacola

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    The aa12 used to do more damage I'm pretty sure and the ak used to have better accuracy I think also and it got nerfed, it would be nice to bring them back because they helped add a balance between weapon tiers (AWP one shotting up to full iron is good also) It also helped white names/people who run because lets say you run to somewhere that isn't zone 6, you can still get guns and have a smaller disadvantage
    The problem is people miss all their shots and when they hit one weak combo they miss their follow up and then complain about tanking, if you shoot them and hit them they die
     
  19. Piky

    Piky Well-Known Member

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    For AWP one-shotting a full iron completely, the damage would have to be 125 on a headshot (250), the full iron reduces the damage by 60% and it barely has enough damage to pull it off. I'm guessing it was nerfed since Barrett & AWP combo can be achieve the kill fairly quickly (110 damage on full diamond with [nerfed] AWP & Barrett if all hits on headshots).
    Or it could've been nerfed for other reasons :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  20. nicolecacola

    nicolecacola Well-Known Member

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    Yea they nerfed it like 2 years ago but I think they should bring that back along with the buffs u mentioned for aa12/ak, would make more of a competition than just barrett/spas/m10
     
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