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Discussion in 'Hardcore Games' started by VitamineC, Dec 23, 2015.

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  1. VitamineC

    VitamineC Member

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    So, I've already posted a thread regarding the borders moving in HG, and how it ruins a lot of strategies. I have decided to ask again because I feel like it ruins a lot of strategies. If you have the kit Demoman for example, you placed demoman traps all over a cave and you're ready for the feast winner to come and catch you. Nope, because you will have to move your entire trap in 50 -50. I talked about towers too in my other thread, you will have to move your entire tower in between 50 -50.

    The main reasons you do this is so that the games would end faster, since you only have 3 servers available. I feel like you should just add the forceful at 500 -500 for the rest of the game, and if the game takes too long, you can spawn all players to "the pit". That is what McPvP did and I think it's a lot better then bringing the borders in right once the feast starts. Or you can make the borders come in a little bit later, because I feel like the borders coming closer once the feast has started is way too fast.

    Remove the vanilla minecraft instant kill outside the border, make it deal the same as the old forcefield

    So that is my little suggestion, sorry about some grammar mistakes and run on sentences as I am typing on a really weird laptop lol.

    Thanks
     
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    #1 VitamineC, Dec 23, 2015
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  2. Viva

    Viva Well-Known Member

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    Again the problem I see with the pit is that it also ruins towers and traps in a sense, as the feast winner could finish you off fairly quickly before you can set anything up.

    I think the forcefield shrinkage is fine, I just make it a point to always set up all of my traps and towers in the 50, -50 range so I don't have to worry about it. Moving a tower would be relatively easy provided you have blocks and/or a healthy endermage. I can understand the frustration with traps but you have about 10 minutes of clearance once the borders start shrinking to move anything, and from that point on you won't be forced to do anything, like a pit would.
     
  3. VitamineC

    VitamineC Member

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    Yeah, I build all of my traps/towers within 50 -50, but what I have noticed is that since everyone else is towering and doing their stuff in 50 -50, it becomes extremely crowded. When you build a tower within 50 -50, it usually gets obliterated within 5 minutes of the game. As for traps, it takes a fair amount of time to get your resources, and this takes up a lot of time, and lets you be out in the open. It's pretty much impossible to do any trap while you have over 20 people coming at you because of how crowded it is. In a daily Hardcore Games game, there are usually around 5 - 10 towers. Now, if they had to all tower up in 50 -50, imagine the chaos that would be happening. I remember that I destroyed 6 towers within 5 minutes of the game with my thor kit because of how close they were together. To be honest, I actually 100% get your response and answer, however I still feel like they should make the borders shrink a little bit later. Maybe 10-15 minutes after the feast instead of when the feast first spawns.
     
  4. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    Close in 30 min into the game until 40 min to 150 -150, not too fast, and still big enough
     
  5. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    I don't see why the border needs to shrink. What's the point?
     
  6. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    I think they want it to be a replacement to the pit. I don't want it, but if they're gonna force it, it better be slow and still have a wide area

    @VitamineC add this: remove the vanilla minecraft instant kill outside the border, make it deal the same as the old forcefield
     
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  7. Belkalai

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    That seems very reasonable to me, and still shortens potential game time.

    Also, do you think that the forcefield should be something that can hurt if you all into it? I think that it would help as it introduces new strategies.
     
  8. BillBobAndy

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    The closing borders idea is a good one. It is in essence the same as the pit in mcpvp. The whole point of the pit and the shrinking force field is to draw the remaining players together so a winner can be decided to bringing the game to an end so the server can restart. The 1000 by 1000 boarders are designed for 120 people, so it only makes sense that when there are only 2-5 people left in the server the area should also shrink. I think that 100 by 100 (which it is currently) is very sensible.

    The alternative is people hiding out on the edge of the force field, waiting out the timer, and the game being decided on the most number of kills, which I think we can all agree is an awful way to end a game since the hardcore games is intrinsically a last man standing server.

    It does what it is meant to do the way it is, no changes are needed.
     
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  9. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    100x100 is pathetic.
     
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  10. BillBobAndy

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    No it isn't.
     
  11. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    Yes it is. Once it's this small:
    Soup: Whoever has the most soup wins, once somebody runs out of soup there's no way he can get more, so he dies
    No soup: Whoever has the most armour wins, the rest have way too little space to pull off any game-changing strategies
     
  12. HannahPhillipsYT

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    I like shrinking boarders, it helps alot.
     
  13. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    It's too fast, and instant kills you once you're outside
     
  14. AllahLemonPvP

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    Shrinking borders is a pretty bad idea, it limits strats and encourages soloing more which is already fairly prevalent. People should play the way they like to, with the people they want to and they need a good sandbox for that which is where 500x500 shines.
     
  15. HannahPhillipsYT

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    You can no longer get outside
     
  16. Belkalai

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    You can whilst it is shrinking.
     
  17. jarboyp

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    Personally, I think the pit is a better idea, but if the shrinking ff is to be kept it needs to have a slower shrinkage speed and starts to shrink 10 minutes after the feast spawns.
     
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  18. HannahPhillipsYT

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    I think pit should come back
     
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