Poll: Remove No-Soup HG

Delete Nosoup. It Split HG. Everyone is saying ''BBH invented NoSoup beacause the noobs would have it easier. The real reason was that he realized how bad he was...
Also i'd like to say that you should make a HG event server and then can players apply to be hosters and host koths and other hg events on there. That would make the comunity run hg wich allways is good

 

No-soup should be removed gradually, so players can adapt, creating a higher pkayer retention rate.

 

In one way I feel as though NoSoup HG was a good thing for players, letting new players sort of get into the experience easier as they didn't have to climb the uphill battle of trying to learn to soup. Though I feel in doing so it has become in a way a split community, I think it'd be better to make one gamemode and try to cater to both sides.

 

I still don't understand the point of getting rid of no-soup if I am honest. To me it seems that there are enough players on both severs everyone I go online. I am a firm believer that we would just be cutting players from playing HG by forcing them to transition. Sometimes I prefer to have a chilled game, something that isn't there in soup as fights can last for quite some time (which can appeal).

In short I can see myself spending a lot less time in HG if it was removed, and I am sure that there are others who are similarly minded to me.

However, I like to see things with an open mind so please put forward any further arguments, as I may just be seeing one side without the other

 

Belkalai you need to understand how much FUN it was to have 90-100+ people on the servers constantly and fighting huge towers, huge amounts of players, CRAZY trap escapes, ravine fights, demoman traps all the time and the amount of creativity there was. So many creative tower ideas and trap ideas that all feel like they arent even close to evident anymore. I know just having the player amount wont bring necessarily creativity back, but its a start.

 

PREACH!!

 

I have been playing HG for years and have never liked the concept of soup. No-soup isn't for noobs, it's for people who enjoy a more relaxed, laid back game. If you remove no-soup, the player count will go down, and I don't think anyone wants that.

 

DO NOT REMOVE NO-SOUP I PLAY BRAWL BECAUSE IT!

 

I was there in McPvP when they had 120+ people per server.

By that logic, we could remove Soup in order to force people to play No-Soup. This would create HUGE towers, CRAZY traps and INSANE Demoman traps. Why would there be any less creativity?

 

The veterans who play soup wouldn't change over to No-soup. Soup is much more popular. It all comes down to popularity.

 

I feel people need to learn to soup. That's the point. Hundreds of player learnt for McPvP, so that means that they can learn for Brawl.

Just remove no soup and have 4 soup servers. thats the best idea.

 

Wouldn't that create a disparity between new players and veterans VERY quickly?

No-Soup is a nice transition I feel, otherwise new players would log on, die multiple times, then probably give up and leave.

The HG would never grow if that was the case. If people want something to be difficult then they could play World's Hardest Game or something along those line. HG main selling point is not that it is difficult. Also, No-Soup isn't the easy version of HG, just different and (in my opinion) more brutal. You can die because you were not paying attention, which can appeal if you want something 'difficult'.

 

No soup doesn't have any appeal towards being difficult.

 

What transition? BBH always says no soup helps new players to practise for soup. I think you're saying the same thing. Sir, if you could tell me how no soup helps players transition into soup, I would be amazed

 

you know in your heart removing soup would severly impact HG community as a whole and would clearly be a flop. If you could choose between the two soup vs nosoup to see which one would keep the true HG community going like tons of videos and such which would you pick?

Basically what I am saying is that soup is the classic HG in which a large base of players lies. The only thing I find in nosoup is tons of people dying really fast, towers, and the fact that it is too easy for someone who is very good at pvp.

I'm not saying I'm the greatest pvper but nosoup is fairly easy if you just get iron... ALSOOOOo most of the kits are barely useful in nosoup tbh. Most kits were designed for soup and if you think about most of them, they don't have a true place in nosoup.

I am all for keeping 1-2 nosoup servers just for the people who truly enjoy doing it, all I am saying is that most of the real "Hardcore Games" (kits-traps-towers-pvp-bigfights) lies in soup and cutting out a server to lead to more players in soup servers would be great

I honestly didn't bother to even reread this post so excuse this extremely terrible grammatical usage.

Then why did you keep playing with soup lol?

 

I mean, the problem with nosoup isn't necessarily that it's too easy, as I think that's what the intention was behind it in a sense. I just feel that it's created this stark division of players who prefer playing with soup or without and there's a certain division of skill and tactics that can't be used in one or the other. I don't think it'd be very easy for someone in nosoup to transition to soup in this state, I think they'd much prefer to stay. I'm not saying get rid of it entirely but I think some sort of compromise for both in one gamemode would be good.

 

What I am saying is that it attracts players. They will stay because of No-Soup. If you join a game and you keep on dying over and over, you will simply stop - that is what I am trying to say.

In terms of videos and Streams, I have yet to see someone else stream aside from myself. There are traps in No-Soup in the same way that there are traps in soup. There are also towers. No-Soup is not 'too easy' for someone who is good at PvP, the thing that I like is that if I see a full Iron, I can get the jump on them and perhaps win, however in Soup, this is impossible. This situation is the same in reverse, if someone with no armour attacks me when I have armour in Soup, I am guaranteed to win, so No-Soup adds a sense that you have to keep looking over your shoulder, even if you ave won the feast. The extract about kits is simply not true. All of them (aside from souper XD ), will have some use. Boxer and Timelord for example are very powerful kits in No-Soup. Finally, the idea that cutting a No-Soup server will lead to more players in Soup is flawed. It is true that you might get some people coming in, however, many may simply leave, meaning that we have just cut part of our community.

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I think that newer players will go towards No-Soup, meaning that getting rid of it will cut off these new players or at least the flow of them. I have to agree that some people are firm believers in one or the other, which is why getting rid of No-Soup will cut part of the HG community, which isn't the largest as is. Also, there are many traps and towers that will be used in both, however I like the diversity that different strategies bring. It ensures that it doesn't become repetitive as it is a different flavour to me, at least.

 

No soup is too easy. If I actually took it seriously, I would win everything. This is true: When qualifying for the March QQ, I hopped onto no soup to qualify. 5 wins in 5 games, I was in. By the way, in soup, I killed a lot of people who have full iron.

I agree many people will leave if no soup is gone, but at least have more soup servers, 5-1 would be good. New players need to learn to soup, just like everyone here.

And for tournaments, make every single one of them soup, no soup has no place in the eyes of veteran MCPVPers