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Discussion in 'Hardcore Games' started by TheMafias, Mar 7, 2016.

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  1. TheMafias

    TheMafias Something wise

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    I want to start by saying I am a huge HG veteran and I know more than all of you! Your argument is invalid!

    WARNING: WORDS ARE USED THAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT FIND UNAPPEALING INCLUDING
    TRUTH
    WORDS MOMMY SAID NOT TO SAY
    AND HOW AWESOME I AM!
    This is mainly a joke and I hope y'all take it a little serious, but at the same time just go with it. I like making people laugh so enjoy it how it is. I warned y'all so have fun!


    Okay, lets get serious for a minute. The way Hardcore works is the game is to win, but to make the game fluid it needs to always follow certain rules. It needs to be balanced for everyone at the beginning and at the end. Meaning at any point you could win no matter what.

    Example:
    • Stomper kills feast winner
    • Endermage kills stomper
    • Ninja kills endermage
    Ect. ect.

    So lets get into detail. HG is spread into 6 game times. (Yes 6)
    1. Invincibility
    2. Beginning
    3. Middle
    4. Before Feast
    5. Feast
    6. After Feast
    Now as you can see the game revolves around the feast. If you don't go to the feast you are missing out on 2 parts of the game! Lowering you chance of winning! Alas that's the beauty of the game, you have to make the game to your advantage. So what does that have to do with balancing?
    First here are some things you need to know about the game that could tip it into a chaotic scale.

    In the beginning you can win a Iron sword!
    Now whats is so bad about a Iron sword? Its just a sword, and it doesn't make you a badass...
    WRONG! IT MAKES YOU A COMPLETE BADASS!

    The Iron sword in no soup is way to powerful tipping the advantage of stages 1, 2, and 3 of the game to your advantage. So I think it has to go.
    During stage 1, you can now do whatever, most people make soup and a sword. You already got a sword, so lets go make a dirt house! Once you make a dirt house you win! see easy game...
    Stage 2 you outnumber people, as long as you deal equal number of hits to someone as to you, you will always win.
    stage 3 you can hunt miners, who most likely made armor rather than a sword. So happy hunting.


    Reasons why it should go
    Hackers will mess up the score and either they get it or no one does. (I might not be right on that)
    Farmers are just jerks who kill each other to get it... Like really? you that bad?
    Then the guys who always win it. I am usually the one to get it too, but that's because I am awesome :grinning:
    You are giving a good player a Iron sword... Who just killed everyone anyway to get it. So not only did they prove to be able to do it in a fair fight, they can now do it when they have the advantage.

    As before the game revolves around balance. Lets assume that @Totom3 gets rid of the Iron sword.
    Now the first 3 stages are more balanced. What else needs to be added/removed?

    The Force field! Oh my god, what person decided to do this. Lets make a encasing force field that kills you almost on the spot! Love it! I hate it...

    Trapping? yea **** y'all
    Towers? Hope you can tower fast
    Feast winners? Nah you good fam...

    Lets chance the effect of the field? YES! The fact that it is there isn't the problem, its the odds of escaping it. It needs to just give poison on it. THEN when you hit half a heart, you die.

    Reasons why:
    It gives a slight disadvantage to going close to border and when running back into a zone, you will still have the effect for a few seconds making you not fit for a fight. It doesn't ruin traps all the way, it gives them a chance to move, unless y'all are underground. Pay attention next time :grinning:.

    Thats all about the game I really think needs to change. Totom3 did a great job otherwise.

    Kits! Lets complain about these *****es too!

    New kits
    1. Airdropper or what ever
    • Get a killstreak and call in some dogs fam!
    • Full iron armor by like kill 3 or 4!
    • More FREAKING IRON
    • Guess what, COMBINE THIS **** WITH THAT OTHER KIT Plato! and boom
    a diamond per 12 iron! that's a few sword right there!
    1. ToolMaster
    • NOTHING BREAKS!! no that's cool this kit rocks. I mean armor breaks all the time in Hardcore anyway right?
    1. Spy
    • Wow look someone is 50 blocks from me let me just- oh nvm I died, they were already behind me...
    • Wow they are endermage good to know!
    The spy hit is great to find people. The warning is useless but what else could we add??!!!
    WHAT IF YOU COULD HEAR EVERY CHAT. /MESSAGING AND TEAM CHATS!!!
    OMFG I KNOW YOU LOVE THIS IDEA, YOU CAN HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT 3RD WORLD PROBLEMS! You can save yourself from hunters/trappers and know if people are teaming!

    1. Backpacker
    • Don't you hate running out of space in your inventory! WELL THIS KIT IS FOR-
    what? you never need extra space? really??? its so convenient though... but... okay... what if we combine it with crafter? Still no? okay... how about the spy update I mentioned too? Sounds better? **** YEA IT DOES, RUB SOME $2.50 ALL OVER THAT ****!


    1. Digger
    • YOU EVER WANT TO MAKE A HOLE REALLY SLOW!!! No? really? huh... what if it was combined with jackhammer? yes? awesome!
    • Make this kit a choice with jackhammer! Break the block - Jackhammer! Right click - DIGGAH!!!!

    Okay I am going to stop before people stop hating me.

    Here is a kit idea, This was made by multiple people I do NOT take credit for this. I think it is a awesome idea to the game.

    The Alchemist
    Abilities - Besides having a awesome name! You can get a potion effect per armor you are wearing!

    Iron gives you a small debuff while Gold gives you a huge buff!!!!

    Boots - Add some speed I
    Leggings - Add some resistance I
    Chestplate - Add some regeneration I
    Helmet - Add some Resperation III because who hates drowing!

    Iron ****s
    Boots - slowness
    Leggings - weakness
    Chestplate - Anotha weakness
    Helmet - Supah slow poison! game checks every 15 seconds to see if wearing helmet, if they are hit them a heart of damage!

    This kit is unbalanced? Well Gold armor breaks crazy fast! too fast? Add unbreak II When they craft it!
    Okay, I am done for this!!! Hope y'all enjoyed my little ranting/trying to better Brawl speech!
     
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  2. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I agree with most of these. But the alchemist kit doesn't seem quite right for me. Idk why. Maybe because there are too many buffs and debuffs and effects and poisons and water breathing going on. What if theyre the last two people and one is an alchemist. That's OK. Just sit at the bottom of an ocean. Boom. Safe forever. XD
     
  3. TheMafias

    TheMafias Something wise

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    I know, I can't remember the kit idea exactly but the main idea is that gold gives it a boost. Also thanks for reading all of this XD. Surprised a staff member actually took it the way it was mean't to be taken.
    Hope you found this funny, I worked really hard on it XD

    Update: There are no oceans :stuck_out_tongue: but I can see your point in camping. The idea is just gold = good for a lil bit.
     
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  4. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    What did I ever do with the sword? I never tried to get it

    The border no longer shrinks, I assume that's what you're talking about, so problem solved.

    Airdrop: I'm hoping it gets nerfed
    Philosopher: Hey you're sacrificing full iron for a diamond sword, not balanced?
    Digger is ok, but I agree the other 2 need a buff.
     
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    TheMafias Something wise

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    You are right with Philosopher, I didn't think that much on it, but then again its not that much iron. 24 iron is all it takes, find a good cave and boom. Full iron and a sword
     
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    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    No, you lose the iron, so it's 24 iron for full iron ONLY
     
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    TheMafias Something wise

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    I know, I mean if there is a decent cave you can find a lot of iron.
     
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    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    Well that would take more time, so I think this kit is ok
     
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    Miner + Philosopher + Good cave (which we have an abundance of) = shrek pls
     
  10. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    48 + 48 iron for full iron and 2 diamond swords, 192 iron for 2 diamond chestplates, 96 iron for 2 pairs of boots, still OP?
     
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    TheMafias Something wise

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    Damn XD
     
  12. Gohabsgo

    Gohabsgo Well-Known Member

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    Iron sword has to go
    1. Unbalanced to start the game
    2. You shouldn't be rewarded for something in pre game
    3. If you have a friend you can join early and spam kill to get it

    All in all there is no point in keeping it
     
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  13. Ayyyylienslmao

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    I was just kidding around, yeah, Philosopher is quite balanced. You have pretty much no advantage at the start of the game, and your advantage towards the end really depends on how lucky your mining is and when you go to the feast, you get diamond gear anyways.
     
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