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Discussion in 'Ideas' started by Luigi, Mar 19, 2016.

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  1. Luigi

    Luigi Member

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    Cops shouldn't be allowed to enter rebel bases unless a high ranking officer gets on an issues a raid(I know they don't have any rankings, but possibly implement a new system of officers with ranks). It's come to my attention that a lot of the sheriffs currently like to camp out rebel and arrest people on sight, which is why this is becoming a problem for people that want to buy/sell stuff at rebel. With the ranking of officers, I could only imagine maybe the veteran sheriffs(or sheriffs that are very well trained) can become the higher ups or SMOD+ sheriffs can do it.


    *Just an idea based off of the ARMA 3 server that this server is kind of based off of.*

    The ranking system on there goes(lowest to highest)
    Cadet (Trial cop, they have to go through a test based off of the cop rules by a Sergeant+)
    Constable(Average cop)
    Corporal
    Sergeant
    Lieutenant
    Captain

    *Obviously, this can be worked/tweaked on to fit the server*



    Edit: Also, possibly add people to initiate prison breaks, so people can break out of prison rather than mining their way out(although if you do escape prison you get a high bounty). And maybe add lockpicks and make it so where the cops can't arrest you immediately, they'd have to take you over to a sheriff HQ and arrest you(giving your team members the chance of getting you out of custody). With lockpicks, after escaping custody with your team members, your team members could lockpick you out of the cuffs, although the lockpicks have a possibility of not working and breaking.

    2nd edit: If gangs become a problem, create a cap like there is on warz, except maybe higher.

    3rd edit: If a sheriff kills you, you should lose your bounty and not go to jail. Whenever someone is sent to jail, all the sheriffs online should receive an equal split of the person's bounty. Sheriffs also shouldn't have the OP gear they have currently, they should have a less OP loadout and with the money they make while on sheriff could be spent on some gear at the sheriff shop for a discounted price(Discount because sheriffs are bound to be killed a lot/a few times). *Buying the new gear isn't permanent*
     
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  2. blackbear44

    blackbear44 Well-Known Member

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    I totally agree with you Luigi. Most of the money you can make from Wild West is from drug dealing, and getting constantly arrested by sheriffs while drug dealing is kind of annoying. I also really like your ARMA 3 Life idea. I would kind of like that bit of added RP (if you want to call I that) into the sheriff system.
     
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  3. Turmac

    Turmac Hardcore Games Enthusiast

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    I'm sorry? Based on the unlimited amount of players per team, a sheriff is lucky to even get into a base without being oneshotted by someone from @Risen_God 's team. Even sheriffs get oneshotted. And since there are only 6-8 sheriffs total and at times 0-1 online, I don't think sheriffs need a nerf at all.
     
  4. Lozzylouise

    Lozzylouise SG Player at Heart

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    The whole idea of a Sheriff is to stop people from making money in that way specifically and it's not supposed to be easy to do so. Sheriff's may camp but (gameplay wise) it's illegal activity and the whole idea of this is to be sneaky and play strategically to make your money not to be able to safely process drugs while Sheriff's wait for a higher up to come in. Sheriff's can be easily matched with gear you can buy (guns legal or illegal) and iron prot 1 is the equivalent of diamond gear. Your idea is creative however there are a few things I disagree with.
     
  5. Risen_God

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    @Turmac this is why you don't mess with BOTW you will get stretched to the point of no return :wink:

    I love the idea of being able to break out of prison or your team mates having a chance to getting you out of custody. Like possibly being able to add a 3 minute timer in which a person has to stand still before they go to jail, giving their team mates a chance to try to save them.
     
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  6. Lochie_Mero

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    I agree that the sherifs are over powered, they simply handcuff every one to avoid the players even getting a chance to fight and then send you to prison. I have even seen sherifs take down whole teams, with is stupid, it would be better if sherifs actually had to team up with each other and play more tactically (without handcuffing players straight away). 1 sherif should not be able to take on full teams!, if 1 player can take on 5 than something is CLEARLY wrong.
     
  7. Jaetpack1

    Jaetpack1 Why jetpack when you can Jaetpack? (RC1)

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    Sheriffs handcuff not in fear of getting killed, but because the player is in very close proximity to a drug processor or illegal arms dealer or something of the sort. Also, sheriffs aren't as good as you think. One sheriff usually has near to no chance to take out a full team of even full iron armored players. Why is it a bad thing if they could though? Sheriffs are in the game to stop people from doing illegal things. When people from a team shoot at a sheriff, they need to use self defense. The ratio of sheriffs to players is low, so they need to pack the fire power to take out a few players.
     
  8. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    I agree in the most parts, but I disagree in the parts where you actually want to nerf Sheriffs.
    Comments above here have shown me that Sheriffs are "OP" or "Overpowered". Well, that is not true. When being a sheriff and trying to take down a rebel base on your own, or fight a fully geared person, sheriffs aren't overpowered at all. They have iron armor with, if I'm not wrong, Protection 1 as enchantment. Seeing that Diamond armor is like Iron armor with protection III - IV, Sheriffs are very vulnerable.
    Also, I think the Sheriff should be buffed. Sheriffs die constantly in the game and do not have any horses or money and have to mine to earn money and lose it once they get killed again. I think sheriffs should be able to have 1 horse that can be killed but spawns back when the sheriff gets destroyed by some team of 9 members ( BOTW, Risen, LY ).
    3 minutes? What if a sheriff runs into a rebel base and handcuffs 2 people of a 9 man team, the sheriff would already die in the 3 minutes that the timer takes to put someone in jail. Of course, it is quite annoying when you are fully geared with illegal stuff, but thats why the Sheriffs are here, to prevent you of having illegal items and shooting everyone on sight.
    Clearly you don't understand that when a Sheriff actually takes over a whole rebel base where a solid army is hosted, this sheriff must be really lucky. Trust me, when my team and I ran into a rebel base and killed everyone, the sheriff ( @Flavorous ) was still able to arrest one of us ( me of course ) and send me into jail. After that, he still got one shotted by the solid army we created.

    Conclusion:
    • The sheriffs should not be nerfed. As I told above, the armour of a Sheriff isn't that special compared to the cheap diamond armour and Sheriffs do not earn money that fast.
    • I would like to see prison breaks and a Sheriff ranking system.
    • I think all sheriffs should be able to go to rebel bases. Buying / processing stuff at rebel bases is illegal and all sheriffs should be able to stop that.
    • Buff the sheriff so they cannot be one shotted.
     
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  10. Luigi

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    I don't think you realize that the whole point of a Sheriff ranking system is to keep everyone in balance, I know that you're for it, but this also means not camping rebel bases 24/7. Which is why, with this new ranking system, the highest ranking officer at the time(has to be Lieutenant+, although could make exceptions for Sergeants) can issue raids on the rebel base. I never said the sheriffs need to be nerfed in that big of a manner, obviously give them a nice loadout when they were to spawn in(perhaps a better one than now), but they still have the chance to buy better stuff in the sheriff shop, with the arresting happening INSIDE HQ(This means all online sheriffs get a percentage of the person's bounty). This also means that they must go to HQ in order to arrest someone rather than arresting them on sight. This server is more about RP, not about camping out places trying to make everyone who tries to make a living quit. I understand this server just came out, but sheriffs just aren't what they need to be.
     
  11. Flavorous

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    Please keep in mind that this is the Wild West. It's pretty simple to just keep it with a Sheriff. Deputy might be an idea, but there really wouldn't be much purpose behind it.

    Also, I had proposed one of two things privately, that didn't get that much coalition...

    1. Buff sheriff to have Protection II Iron Armor

    2. Nerf the general damage of weapons so that you can't kill people in one hit
    - Or make damage based on where players are shot, most damage to the upper torso and head, less to the arms and legs
     
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  12. Luigi

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    I'm keeping in mind that this is Wild West, but I'm giving ideas to make it better, not keep it the way it is. You have sheriffs camping the rebel, defeats the purpose of doing anything illegal. Ranking keeps everyone in balance, which has purpose behind it. Buffing sheriffs? Maybe. Nerfing the gun damage? No. If it gets nerfed, it will just make it easier for the sheriffs to instantly arrest someone at rebel while the sheriff is camping. So before anything gets made to benefit the sheriff, I feel like we need to see how the new ideas would work out.
     
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    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I don't understand what all the fuss is about. Clearly if you're saying the sheriff's need to be needed then you are getting caught by them. In that case, don't get caught. Even if sheriff's are camping, which I'm not so not everyone is thank you very much XD, they aren't on 24/7. It's very easy to online at different times during the day to avoid sheriff's. Heck, I'm online right now and I'm the only sheriff on. ^-^ please don't suggest that people are op just because you keep losing to them. What is this, league of legends? :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  16. Luigi

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    I hope you realize, I don't play Wild West at all, just some friendly suggestions seeing as this server is based off of the ARMA 3 server I play on. Figured it should be more like it, which means that the whole sheriff system will be structured and non abusive. Seems to me that every sheriff/sheriff applicants are against it, they don't want change because they don't like change that makes everything better for the community in general. From every other player on here, all I hear is that sheriffs camp rebel. You are telling them to not get caught, yet the only time to not get caught is in the middle of the night and early in the morning if you're lucky. People don't have time to stay up late or stay home, so the chances of that are slim. If you are trying to make the server live, sheriff needs a nerf. A nerf that is long overdue(this nerf revolves around the arresting process).
     
  17. featherpaw

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    You want it centered around the arresting process, but keep in mind that sheriffs actually have to get close to the criminal before they can arrest them. There's a team on wildwest known by the name BOTW (Best of the West) and they all, I believe, have full diamond armor and the best guns you are able to illegally buy. Not only do they have these perks, but most of the time they travel in a group. I've heard from @Risen_God (a member of BOTW) that Lord_Roke once sent a group of 4 sheriffs to take down their team at wildgrass, which is a drug field. Al 4 sheriffs were killed and they only took down one team member, I believe. As the game progresses there will always be people that say sheriff needs a nerf. I disagree. I believe sheriffs need to actually stop camping. This is, of course, trusting that you were being correct in saying sheriffs camp. However, I can't tell sheriffs what to do. Neither would I want to. They are their own person and should they choose to camp at rebel bases while others are out robbing conductors, processing drugs, and killing people at the mines then who am I to say no?
     
  18. Turmac

    Turmac Hardcore Games Enthusiast

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    Another thing to state is that the likelyhood of us logging in and not being 1 shot (Like on WarZ) if we log in a rebel base, is very small. If we do, there's no chance of us camping there any time soon.
     
  19. Risen_God

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    All sheriffs are bad, there hasn't been a group of sheriff's who have been able to take down a decent amount of players in our team. At most we have probably lost 2 to 3 players. Nonetheless, many sheriffs are bad at doing their jobs because they are new and have no idea how to play by the sheriff handbook.
     
  20. Turmac

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    Then why should we be needing sheriff as is?
     
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