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Sheriff / Camping Abuse Ruins The Game

Discussion in 'Ideas' started by FakeNeth, Mar 25, 2016.

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Is camping these valuable locations all day unfair/corrupt?

  1. Yes, it is unfair/corrupt for all players

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  2. No, but a moderator should not be playing the game this unfairly/corruptly

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  3. No, it is not unfair/corrupt for anyone

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  1. FakeNeth

    FakeNeth Member

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    Hello all,

    My name is FakeNeth, and this is the only time I've actually felt compelled to create a post in these forums. I've been playing on Wild West for a few days now, and it has been a fun time up until now.

    With 100+ players on the server, I was logging in several times today throughout different times of the day. I was located at the Wildgrass processor, which you would assume to be a fairly populated place. So, each time I logged in today I would be sneaking out back, and I kid you not, every single time that I logged in I would see @Nezzr 's name, along with a few others who were around her and obvious teammates. Now, I decided to log in a few minutes ago, and of course Nezzr was there with about 2-4 other people (did not see quickly enough). I was instantly killed by one of her "friends", who appeared to be a sheriff from the hat he had on.

    Now, this just proved to me how much of a broken system the drug running of Wild West is right now.

    You have people such as Nezzr who will camp the most valuable locations on the map with a team of several overpowered people along with a sheriff or two, and they will just kill anyone without a question. This ruins the game. Nezzr and another moderator claimed that this was "part of the game". How is cutting off an actual part of the game from others "part of the game" itself!? Is it me, or is this extremely flawed logic?

    The answer is that it is most definitely NOT part of the game to camp at the one most valuable spot of the map all day long with a group of overpowered people and sheriffs and ruin the game for others. I spent 4+ HOURS farming that wildgrass and processing, and it was lost in a matter of seconds thanks to people abusing this broken system.

    What irks me the most is that this was a moderator. A moderator is supposed to make the game fun and welcoming to all. Nezzr is over here making the game almost unplayable. Now I have a plethora of experience in the field of moderation. I know that a moderator is supposed to be a role model for the rest of the players. How is a moderator cutting off a huge part of the game being a good role model? I am not one to accuse, but this seems like corruption at its finest to me.

    TL;DR:

    Large groups of OP players + sheriffs camping the most valuable locations is extremely unfair and makes the game almost unplayable to newer players. This is especially unwarranted when it is a moderator doing this. Playing the game fairly would consist of playing the game like others and not sitting at a sole location all day ruining the game for anyone who happens to walk in there.



    Thank you for your time, and I hope you take this matter seriously as it will only get worse if it is not dealt with now.
    - FakeNeth
     
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  2. pAggYDaRP

    pAggYDaRP Well-Known Member

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    Wait, so the sheriffs were teaming with non Sheriffs?
     
  3. Serine1002

    Serine1002 A shadow in the night

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    Nezzr is eZ without her team.
     
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  4. pAggYDaRP

    pAggYDaRP Well-Known Member

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    so r u
     
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  5. nezzr

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    Like me and another moderator already told you, I'm not a sheriff I am playing the game. My teammates are not sheriffs, my friends that are sheriffs are not biased towards me or any other players. Yes, I do camp the processor, but it's apart of the game is it not? The entire point of playing wildwest is to get rich without being caught. I'm doing just that. I happen to play with a group of other people, I don't see how I am abusing or being 'corrupt' in any way. Please explain more to me of what I have done wrong.
     
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  6. Serine1002

    Serine1002 A shadow in the night

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    blame sheriff armour
     
  7. Flavorous

    Flavorous the help

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    This is all a part of the game.
    You were consistently scolding Nezzr in chat for a solid 10 minutes.

    It was getting very hostile, and you were proceeded to get muted for Flaming- which you were.
    Nezzr did not hack, she did not abuse her power, she did not glitch, she did not do anything that is unfair.
    People can camp locations as they please, there is no rule against it.
    Like I had tried to explain to you before, Moderators are people / players too. We are entitled to the ability to play the game just as any player is allowed. We are here to Moderate chat, ban hackers, and assist players. It goes deeper, but I will spare you the details of Moderator responsibilities. I will also have you know that Nezzr specifically does not team with Sheriffs', she is in one of the most threatening and criminal teams on Wild West.

    You yourself can easily go camp that processor.

    You also have four other options to go and process drugs. So it's not like you are being deprived the ability to acquire money. Not only this, but you can go mine as well.

    You have learn to play the game to rise to the top, no one said this game was going to be new-player-friendly. However, New players always have the chance to go and do other things that ya know, aren't illegal? (On the server).

    Overall, You have equal opportunity, but not equal outcome.
     
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  8. 18kss

    18kss All is within

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    I see where you may be coming from, but @Nezzr is just playing smart. No need to call her out :v
     
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  9. FakeNeth

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    I believe so. I am 99% sure that when I was killed it was by a person in a sheriff uniform.

    I already explained. You are abusing a very flawed system.

    You should not be able to sit at the most valuable location all day. That is not fair to anyone. How is anyone supposed to catch up to you when you are literally hogging up the majority of the wealth?

    While it may not directly violate any rules, it is definitely an unfair way to play; especially since you are moderator. A moderator is supposed to be a good role model. You are not being a good role model by cutting off a part of the game to everyone else. That does not make the game fun or inviting. You are doing the opposite of what a person in your position is supposed to do. Also, you may literally be "playing the game", but you are making the game much more difficult for everyone else.


    I myself can NOT easily camp that processor. If I could easily camp that processor don't you think I'd be doing that right now and not making a forum post? I am not the only one who sees this issue. Several people who I know from the server have agreed with me on Skype, and several more in-game.

    And no, it was not getting "hostile". I was being very calm and collected and using a logically backed argument in which many other player supported. You muted me to defend your moderator buddy Nezzr, because why else would I get muted for remaining cool and collected and having several other players backing my argument? It is suppression, end of story.

    Also, I never said she hacked or did anything bad. I said she abused a broken system. The game is new, there are kinks to be worked out, and this is obviously one of them. But she is abusing it, something a person in her position should not do considering there are people who look up to her as to how to act on the server.

    And I know I have four other options. Coco is a bust, the drug is not worth the time it takes to farm and process. Tobacco is a surefire way to get arrested. Shrooms and Wildgrass are always camped by OP teams. And not sure what the other is but I am sure that it is also sh*t-shoot in terms of making money successfully. The bottom line is she is camping the most valuable site and it is not equal opportunity. It would be equal opportunity if we both started say 2000 blocks away from the processor in the same armor and with the same weapons. It is not equal opportunity. This is like America ffs, while the law may say there is equal opportunity, there are many powerful people ruining that "equal opportunity".

    It is nothing personal. I am just calling her out because her group happened to kill me literally under 2 seconds after I logged in. It is over powered and unfair that every time I attempt to go there I am killed by a group (usually her group). That is not equal opportunity.



    Also I just want to point out that no, I do not suck at this game. I am good, but the curve to obtaining good gear is ridiculous, especially with this situation.
     
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    18kss All is within

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    Now that, my friend, is how you get rich :wink:
     
  11. Flavorous

    Flavorous the help

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    Is that your reason for creating this post? Because the game got difficult?
    As far as I'm concerned, anyone can go and camp. You yourself can go make money elsewhere, as I had said before. It's all a part of the game.

    When the game gets difficult, you don't have to change everything about it so that people can get money easily. It's suppose to be difficult. Especially when you try to do it illegally.
     
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  12. Turmac

    Turmac Hardcore Games Enthusiast

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    As a sheriff, we mainly only run to shrooms and wild grass. If you know sheriffs are raiding one of those, it'd be smart to prepare another drug, knowing none of us would be going there any time soon.
     
  13. FakeNeth

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    Huh? I do not understand what you are saying.

    You must not play this game very often good sir. One can simply not just go and camp at this location. It is overrun with full diamond teams at all times unless you are on at a very odd hour of the night. I don't believe it is part of the game to have these locations camped 24/7. I believe the intentions were to have players moving around the map, and not sitting at the same location all day. Anyways, I hope to become a sheriff soon because I am tired of this, the game is simply not fun anymore unless you have donated and/or have a superly over powered group to defend you. So I don't really wish to respond to your replies anymore because we obviously have two very different perspectives on what is happening and it will simply not get us anywhere.

    Sheriffs weren't really my issue here. I am very sure I saw someone in a sheriff's uniform kill me, but the main issue is OP groups camping these places.
     
  14. Flavorous

    Flavorous the help

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    It's an "OP Group"

    It is what it is. What do you suggest we do? Ban them for being an OP Team? Delete the team? Remove their items? Delete the cartel / rebel base?

    There is nothing we can do that will fix it, without absolutely breaking the game. I haven't seen anyone camp at all today, so it might just be you. In addition, for like the third or fourth time, there are tons of other ways you can make money. Just because you get camped doesn't obligate you to keep going to the same place the is still being camped, die, and then complain. That's partially on you for continually going back there.
     
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  15. Buckhunter879

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    I feel like this could be handle easier like fakeneth its rude how you whent about your complaint but every opinion matters but at the same time why are their normal player running around with sheriffs armor i can understand running around with their guns but sheriff armor is very very importent to the works of the game it show power and if a group of bandits persay have sheriffs armor why are mods and sheriff not going at these guys with full force but at the end of the day FAKENATH you whent about it all wrong like if they are doing something wrong RECORD so if they happen to be team with sheriff or just have sheriff gear it can be solved easily and kindy
     
  16. MrWaffleman

    MrWaffleman The negligence of time's end is man's downfall

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    Note: I'm only talking directly to you, disregarding the replies that have been said earlier. Before I even start talking about anything, I will first say something. Making money via drug processing/collecting is a very risky procedure. Yes, there may be lots of money that are involved if you successfully do it, but keep in mind there are other ways to get money, such as hunting criminals, stealing stuff from indian camps / players, mining, and more ways are being added as we speak. If you're willing to stand up stating that there's an imbalance in the industry of drugs, then you should have the knowledge that you might as well be doing something else if you want to play it safe.

    Keep in mind that you can kill sheriffs and steal their helmets, so it may have not been a sheriff.

    I just explained that drug processing is very risky, but to be fair, I will admit that logging into a place where there are like 2-4 players just right next to you with guns is not a very fair situation, no matter what the game is. I also think it's unfair that people just camp there and sometimes they just stay there for like 3 hours straight wasting so many players' time. This also brings up the idea that the Wild Grass rebel base is only one in the many rebel bases, but since we're talking about mainly logging in / logging out, I'll keep that there :V. Now that we've settled on the conclusion of logging in to a big team is unfair... but throughout the whole thread... where's the solution? This is not a critique, but you can't simply just say "please don't camp rebel bases", even if it were made a rule (which by the way the Sheriff vs. Crime is bound by so many rules it makes the game seem boring at times), it would be hard to keep track of and would in general be a bad idea. If there was a good way to prevent this, it would be nice.

    Not sure if I could categorize it as a system... but kden. The actual part of the game is to Gather > Process > Sell. But you HAVE to remember, that PvP also weighs in. I have said before that the drug industry is really risky, you're in danger at dying at any time, you really do have to be aware of this. If you look at any game where once you die, you lose everything. The same rule applies to that game, if you gather drugs for 4 hours and die whilst processing, well that's too bad, either start over, or find a new way (Einstein even said insanity is when you do the same thing and expect different results :V).

    While I do agree it's not a part of the game to camp places and stay there for hours straight, it certainly is a way to play the game, you can critique all you want about how players play the game, but here is basically the same thing as saying "Why did the player shoot the Tier 1 pistol when he had a Tier 4 sniper rifle?". There are different ways to play the game, and some people choose to affect others' gameplay (A.K.A. PvP), you just need to get around it or face it, that's what our human brains are for... and again it isn't a broken system, players choose to do this. Huge Team requires another Huge Team to fight it, it's baka of people to think they can take a huge team on their own, especially when there's plenty of other places to get money.

    There are many ways to perceive fun, if a staff member bans a hacker for hacking, do you think that's fun? No. There are times at which the moderator has to put down the Iron Fist, not saying this here is the case, but just correcting ^.^. Moderators are meant to catch rule-breakers and maintain order. They're allowed to enjoy the game (is that not what Minecraft/Brawl is for?), but moderate on the side, they can also choose to go in poof and 100% moderate, which you don't really see much in WW except for catching hackers. Nezzr was not making the game unplayable, like I have stated so many times before, you didn't have to process drugs in that specific place, couldn't you have gone somewhere else? Nezzr is just making you enjoy the game less, that's the same situation a hacker is in, not saying you are one, but it's natural for you to be aggravated, and it's not Nezzr's fault at all. Corruption is mostly dishonest and being a fraud, I don't see any of that in camping a rebel base. If anything, Nezzr is just stubborn, and that can be perceived both in a bad or a good way, meaning it's not for you to judge.

    Like I've said, there are many other rebel bases, Wild Grass may be worth the most, but that makes a tiny difference. You have to also consider that if you lock yourself up in one spot, how are you going to harvest more drugs, and more importantly, how are you going to sell and make money? You'll also lose resources slowly, and killing players is how you regain them, which is what players like you are doing, feeding the beasts. Like I said Nezzr wasn't corrupt, more of stubborn, she could've been a great role model in how she successfully owned everyone and is top-notched. It's just a way to play the game simply, you can quote me on this and deny it, but I have already explained myself. She's just making the game difficult to people who refuse to take their eyes off of one spot in the whole entire vast world of the Wild West, in which there are SO MANY OTHER WAYS to make money besides that SPECIFIC Wild Grass rebel base.

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    I honestly can't quote anymore, what I said right there is enough to conclude this whole entire topic. But I will do a big conclusion. Right now, it's wrong that you're saying it's unfair, I will only agree that it's unfair in one aspect... logging in to a huge team. Logging in a feature that you have little access to. While I do agree that it's pretty stupid of you to log in to a drug highway, it's still unfair. Throughout this whole thread I don't see any solutions, so unless you make something up, this argument is going to go on forever...
     
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  17. FakeNeth

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    I don't see how I am being rude here. I am being as respectful as I can be without sucking up to anyone. I have not insulted anyone or hurt anyone's feelings, so I am not being rude as far as I can see.

    I also do not believe you have read what I said the issue was.. I never said she was breaking a rule. I just said it was unfair and not something a moderator should really be a part of in my opinion

    Okay, many fair points you have made.

    You are correct, I have not stated a solution. But that simply is because I haven't exactly attempted to think of a solution. I did think of a personal solution though; one that consist of me applying for a Sheriff's position and helping this situation by arresting those in large groups who terrorize others. So, I guess I do not really have a say on this matter unless my application is denied and I am forced into drug running (unless I want to go mining (which is a terrible way to make money and yet a great way to end up dead)).

    I don't really know what to say besides you did make fair points. It is a risky business drug running. And I don't have a solution for this. But I do know there has to be one, there is always a solution. I can't think of any right now, but if I do I will be sure to post them here and see what everyone thinks about it :smile:
     
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  18. MrWaffleman

    MrWaffleman The negligence of time's end is man's downfall

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    You did also remind be of the quantity and quality of sheriffs, in which YOU are you also correct :V. Might as well just higher more and better sheriffs to handle these kind of problems, this way it's less of changing gameplay mechanics. But there's also the problem of players collecting the Sheriff's loot.
     
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  19. FakeNeth

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    I do agree players taking a sheriff's loot is a huge problem. I was definitely killed by someone in a Sheriffs hat, and for that I did wrongly accuse @Nezzr of teaming with a sheriff and I am sorry. I believe a simple fix would be to make all of the sheriff's armor inaccessible upon a sheriff's death. Everything else should be lootable in my opinion (unless sheriff's just spawn with more stuff, that could lead to some serious abuse problems).
     
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    It is already impossible to loot specific sheriff equipment, there is no way a normal player could have gotten it.
     
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