Idea to replace no-soup

I saw something like this in McPvP's PvP Dojo. It actually sounds like a pretty good idea, until you come to the part that... what if someone doesn't have soup and is fighting an extra-heart player? In PvP Dojo you started out with soup, then there must be something that you have to do in order to build up those hearts to make it equal to the player you're fighting. You also have to see that if you fall down really far, soup can't heal that, you'll just die. But if you fall down far with extra hearts you don't die, this will probably make lots of traps really ineffective. I think some tweaks to this should be really good though.

 

You only have about 10 seconds to "explore" because you're placed into the Brawl arena pregame.

 

/spawn to explore

 

2 downsides:
1. Early game: Soup players will die, as they have insufficient soup. 30 hearts vs 20 soup+the need to refill. New players trying soup will die.

2. Late game: When people have a stack of each, rip those who have 30 hearts. They don't stand a chance.

Let's face it, there is no way soup and no soup can be combined. It will have to remain as 2 separate gamemodes. However, no soup can be very, very different from soup to make it fun again, structures is a good place to start

 

1. It isn't about math, it's about analysis. When you stop to refill, you get comboed, and then when you're out of your inven, you're down by a few hearts, so you soup, while you're still being comboed, so you're most likely gonna die (hope you understand what I'm trying to say)
2. Ninja/Phantom/Kangaroo/Grappler. Do I need to elaborate?
3. Which supports my point, no soup needs a complete rework. I believe it can be salvaged and made interesting, but the current question is: Are the staff willing to?

 

1. You're arguing such a particular scenario. If players are able to select their own play style (soup or 30 hearts) then you better be prepared for the fight. Maybe players can go mine for some iron, or get more soup, or learn to combo players more easily so you don't use all of your soup so quickly. Nobody is forcing you to go and fight as soon as 2 mins of invincibility is over. Players should prepare for anything that comes their way, and adapt to new strategies if they can select between soup or 30 hearts.

2. These kits will always be an issue. But as @jarboyp mentioned, you should find other ways or strategies to killing these players.

3. I don't necessarily think this is true. A more appropriate solution would be to make some MAJOR kit adjustments to kits no soup, as well as simply removing some kits from no soup. I've always argued that the older HG kits were specifically designed for soup HG. Kits such as kangaroo and grappler do not suit the no soup play style for several different reasons. I know that there are some players that still enjoy no soup HG who do like the 1.8 pvp mechanics over the 1.9 pvp mechanics. I don't think updating no soup to 1.9 would be beneficial (if anything it would just drive more players away), but I do think that there can be several changes made to no soup to make the game more balanced, such as kits changes, perhaps some feast changes as well.

 

Oh, that still works?

But even so, 10 seconds is not as much as 2 minutes, which was usually what I connected onto games with. That's also not mentioning the fact that the game teleports you to the real spawn 5 seconds before game starts, making it something like 5 seconds to explore.

If we can't find a soup supply in 5 seconds, I personally don't think that's our fault.

I also forgot to note the lag from tping into the server....

 

You can /spawn in the lobby or use the portal even when there's 10 minutes left

 

Interesting.....

Well, thank you for telling me. I concede that you are correct in saying that it's the player's fault for not taking the time to explore pregame, seeing how much time is given.

 

It's a nice idea, but may not be the best to introduce; personally, in the original days it was a learn or die. So to become one with the community, you must learn to soup. It's a skill that has to be learned to improve adaptability and equality in fighting.

 

That's how it was when people didn't have the attention span of bball0928's ping (sorry). But nowadays, if you join a Minecraft server and you're not having fun, there are plenty more that will probably be more fun. There are plenty of HG knockoffs these days, and those arguably do them better than Brawl does. If someone doesn't like Brawl, they can join those. In the original days, that's not really how it was.

 

They won't feel OP when they promptly get comboed by someone that knows what they're doing.

 

Oo...forgot about the hackusators.

Yeah, you're right. But I don't think giving players 30 hearts and calling it a day is the answer.