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  1. Slovakoko

    Slovakoko Well-Known Member

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    Where did the thriving community of Brawl go? Should brawl work on rebuilding what they may have destroyed rather than spreading such a rude and immature community by just creating more servers?

    2013-2014 was probably the best years of brawl's existence. The community was growing like crazy, with very respected role models becoming very popular. Yes, there were a few antagonists among brawl's community but no one thought anything of it. Young players would see these amazing players, that were very talented in what every server they played on and strive to be like them, I know I was one of those kids. I wanted to be able to just destroy players in warz without even having to try, just like my role models. I wanted to be able to go 67-2, just like my role models. I strived to be like them, talk like them, act like them, play as well as they did. This unbreakable desire to be just like them kept my mind off all of the hate that was brewing within this lovely community. But in reality, young players were starting to choose the wrong people to look up too.

    Just like I aspired to be like my role model, who at the time was soboy, People were doing the same, but to the wrong people. The hackers, the antagonists, the instigators, the people that were just bad for the community. In turn creating a whole new generation of toxic players.

    As this new generation of players came to be, the cycle started again, but this time, with more toxic players that ultimately drown out the good that was left in the community. The cycle go's on until you're left with a horrible community that has effected many people. Just like a disease, this would spread throughout the server as players played other severs. If those toxic players leave a toxic server and join another, the cycle starts over. In turn leaving you with a server where bad is promoted more than good is.

    Look at the servers that are doing well in brawl, what I mean by well is: good players that have been around forever, that are likable and do good in the community.
    -Build, a lot of old players from MCPVP are regulars on this server because there are a lot of great people serving as role models for newer players.
    -Party, although there isn't much talking that goes through chat, a lot of it is positive. With some very spirited mods, the newbies have great people to go to for advice.

    Both of these servers haven't been affected by toxic players. The ones that do, the instigators, they find that there's no use in what they do on these servers because people don't care about it. If people react to the instigators, then they stick around and will continue to affect the community.

    I guess what i'm saying is, don't create new servers that will pull players from other servers that are toxic. Rebuild the community to what it once was. Get advertisements, you've got the money for it. Rebuild the server to what it once was. #MakeBrawlGreatAgain
     
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  2. Sonicluke2000

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    so
    what you're saying is

    deport (ban) all the immigrants (mcpvpers)?
     
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  3. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I'm sorry I wasn't around when mcpvp got taken down. I was upset about losing my server and didn't give brawl a chance. Therefore my experience is very limited. However, I have noticed that brawl seems to be getting more and more negative. I can't help but think that war and warz are the sources of the problem. Please no hate. Let me explain myself first please. Then we can talk about it like mature individuals.
    I don't actually believe it is the hackers that are causing a problem. They're destroyed fairly quickly. I believe the main root is actually the pay to win guns. I know I know, "feather, you're just a party jmod. Sit down and shut up." I understand that. However, I'm a noob at war and warz. I'm bad at pvp so therefore you can think of me as a beginning player.
    I never got interested in either of these two servers and it isn't because it's competitive or reliant on pvp. I didn't like these games because when I first joined war and got into my first game. It was a team death match, or whatever you call it. (Sorry I'm not knowledgeable on this.) And I remember that no matter what I did: camping, running around, following other players, etc, I ended up dying. The level cap is so great between a beginner and an old player that it's a huge turnoff for me.
    That isn't to say I don't still try, because I really want to be as good as @TheEliteBanshee one day. But I've learned to stay away because I end up raging. War and warz turns me into something different than who I really am. It's like an infection. I don't like being like that, so I stopped playing.
    The solution to this? You guys won't like it honestly, but I feel it should be said anyway. Either reset the stats back to square 1, or take away the pay to win guns. I know both are impossible, but that is truly the solution. That's why I don't get too upset when I hear that both games are toxic. There is a solution, but if people aren't willing to sacrifice, then there's nothing that can be done. This is just my two cents though, of course. I'll go sit in my party corner and shut up now. Please let me know what you think of this though. I want to help in any way I can.
     
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  4. RainbowKaro

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    The problem with that solution is that both would not be fair to players who donated money to the server, unless they would get some kind of compensation for it. But the problem with that is that if you reset the stats and then give compensation for the lost donator guns, then the level gap would come back very quickly and if you just remove the guns and still give compensation then there would be problem cause there would be nothing to spend the compensation on.

    As you may see now, your solutions would only cause bigger problems and as an old war player with a high level and lots of donor guns, I know that this would make a lot of people leave.

    I think a better solution would be war servers based on level. So by example:

    Server 1: Level 1 to 20
    Server 2: Level 20 to 40
    Server 3: Level 50+
    Server 4: All levels

    And you could even make a difference in server with donor guns and without. I see how this may be a problem because of the amount of players playing war at the time but as was said, brawl has the money to advertise.

    Sincerely,

    RainbowKaro.

    Edit: I would like to add that lower levels should be allowed on higher level servers but not the other way around.
     
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  5. Slovakoko

    Slovakoko Well-Known Member

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    No, get rid of the trouble makers. Focus more time on the good not the bad.
     
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  6. iEBKN

    iEBKN Well-Known Member

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    I agree completely with this. 2013 and 2014 were the best years I have played brawl. I can not say for 2015 since I quit but I can say 13 - 14 was the best year for the forums and the server. My role model was Mokolee and BrawlerAce til I quit War and joined WarZ in which a couple people were my favorite like Tuggers, Mrcowlick, and Darkchaosknight.

    I don't like the way you are thinking though. You see I don't think brawl cares about hackers, I think they care about the players who don't hack. They just want to make the game fun for people while getting profit from it. Now do I hate your thinking? No, I like where you are going with things but you got to use the right words to describe it.
     
  7. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    The reason why me and anyone else left was because of:

    a) lost interest

    b) got bored

    c) found another game

    And the community has become toxic b/c we don't ban for insults and other things.
     
  8. Brendoom

    Brendoom Well-Known Member

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    I believe it's only getting more negative is quite frankly people are actually expecting too much now a days. Maybe yes it could be better but I wouldn't hate on the gamemodes or the developers. I know it sounds quite ignorant but is probably the problem that people even expect it's possible just to teleport to the moon sometimes lol. ^.^ Things are easier said than done.
     
  9. Le_Bakur

    Le_Bakur Well-Known Member

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    I don't know who you're pointing fingers at since this major MCPVP-Brawl merger that happened in the winter of 2014, but I know that the reason why Brawl decided to buy our glorious CTF server is because they gave us a shot to have it instead of letting it completely disappear. Your upper staff isn't like the Trump campaign at all, they were open to the ungrateful people that would move into your community. They knew that a "culture shock" would happen with MCPVP kids like me, and it did. People complained, people stayed out, people disappeared. But at the end of the day, it's been a year and a half now and we're still playing CTF. We're still on build. We're right where we came from: toxic by normal standards, loving the people who assimilate, and are bound to CTF admittedly forever.

    This is why I hate labels, because people automatically assume that generalizations are the final answer to everything. But that's far from the truth, and the reality is that saying "because of this, they are therefore like this" is the most closed minded, egotistical, and judgmental concept you can say to another group. Brawl kids are not bad kids or good kids, nor are CTF kids bad kids or good kids. Nobody is easy to blame. But at the end of the day we all play on Brawl and we have to get along.

    There are some people that notice that and do it with open arms, like Cuddled. Or Canoodle, whatever. She gives everyone a chance regardless of what community they're from, and that's the truly right approach to this merger. Instead of complaining about how annoying the MCPVPers are (because I admit, some of us are (including me sometimes) annoying), just accept that there are two parties colliding and instead deal with it. Accept us even if we don't accept you. Truly superior people don't view themselves as superiors; they are humble in nature and look out for other's interests in place of their own.

    Those are the people who your "role models" should be, not the ones that told you to keep others out just because you call them a "toxic community."
     
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