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Tired of the way this gamemode is treated

Discussion in 'Hardcore Games' started by TheMafias, Apr 10, 2016.

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  1. TheMafias

    TheMafias Something wise

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    I am a McPvP veteran and a decently well known brawl player now. I myself have played HG since I was 14 years old. I really want to post this to give a last battle cry for the Hunger games. Yes, Its the hunger games, no matter what company says otherwise. Here is what NEEDS to happen to bring back the gamemode.

    Delete kits -

    Delete half the kits. A basic 20 - 30 kits are being used anyway. Now what about the people who own the kits? Give them store credit. Simple as that...

    Delete No Soup -

    I LOVE NO SOUP, BUT it's only there to allow new players to understand the kits and gamemode... What new players brawl?

    Rework kits -

    A lot of kits have potential, just rework them...

    Raise the kit prices -

    I know that this sounds dull and wrong, but Brawl needs money to keep these going as much as I want these to survive. Make kit prices change par who is buying them and such, or you know, make them rotate par Season.

    Advertise -

    Brawl, HG has a HUGE fan base. Just... half the people do not know where it is and most of them don't remember it very well. Get the name out there, you have the McPvP Youtube channel, USE IT FOR SOMETHING GOOD!1!!11!!!1

    Tournaments -

    We aren't asking for money prizes... Maybe hold a tournament once a month or every other month like the last one and put the winner in the news... I would think that's enough for me.

    Staff -

    Increase the staff if you actually listen to some of this :grinning:


    This is something I decided to write to brawl as a McPvPer. Now as a Brawler, I want to say HG has a lot of potential to get people on your server again, get them into HG and maybe announce on all servers about another server every hour or so. Get people involved. That is the key to a community run server, get people involved.
     
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  2. 13kss

    13kss Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like you know what you are saying.
    I think these are good ideas.
     
  3. Lord_Roke

    Lord_Roke Forever the Forums Watchdog
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    Totom just spent months reworking almost every kit, there might still be bad kits but as you can see here it is being worked on.

    I doubt that a majority of the community is going to support this.

    Whenever a video is posted on the Youtube channel, there is a massive amount of negative feedback just because it is Brawl and not MCPVP.

    We just held the Tribute Tournament so I don't get why you are complaining about this.

    We need appropriate applicants to increase the amount of staff members for HG, we can hardly influence it at all.
     
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  4. TheMafias

    TheMafias Something wise

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    Totom just spent months reworking almost every kit, there might still be bad kits but as you can see here it is being worked on.
    I know he just did. I know he worked REALLY hard on those too. I talk to him often. I'm saying rework them into a player interest... make posts on how a kit can be changed.

    I doubt that a majority of the community is going to support this.
    They don't support anything that doesn't benefit them. Most older players will understand and that's what is really needed.


    Whenever a video is posted on the Youtube channel, there is a massive amount of negative feedback just because it is Brawl and not MCPVP.
    Only because of the fact you never post McPvP stuff, yes I've talked to a few friends who is still subbed. Just bring something familiar, show a game they used to love and play.


    We just held the Tribute Tournament so I don't get why you are complaining about this.
    Not complaining. None of this is complaining, I am stating my opinion and giving ideas on how to help keep Hg going... Also I understand that brawl just had one, but I mean adding more...


    We need appropriate applicants to increase the amount of staff members for HG, we can hardly influence it at all.
    When I said if the player count goes up (Intended when I said if brawl took steps to advertise) add staff. Players will start applying if there is a bigger player count.
     
  5. BlueGuyARed

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    I agree with you on deleteing no-soup, advertising more, and on having more tournaments.

    However, there is absolutely no way we are going to delete half of the HG kits. For one, a lot of people would lose what they paid for. For example, the numbers I have indicate about 5,000 people have bought Spy. In order to refund everyone who has bought spy, it would cost us about 12k. So basically we are never going to do that. Maybe we could retire off a couple kits [remove them from the store] but anything beyond that would be ludicrous.

    If you want a kit to be re-worked: by all means suggest something. Please don't just say re-work 120 kits and provide no information on which kits and how you want them to be re-worked. Not helpful.

    As for staff, HG doesn't need more moderators. HG needs more quality moderators, and so far I haven't seen any recently.
     
  6. Gohabsgo

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    Gee, I wonder why that is. Hmmm could it be that it's because you're posting gun crap to the channel and not what caters to ex MCPVPers? Why is this so god damn difficult for staff to understand?
     
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  7. jarboyp

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    1. No-soup needs to be removed. It is doing more harm than good right now. However, new players should be given some kind of buff to help them get going though.
    2. The kits are fine. Most are pretty good right now. However, some of the UP ones should be able to be earned through playtime in HG to try to get rid of the "pay-to-win" feeling new players get upon learning that kits cost money. The prices are really good right now though. They are high enough for Brawl to make money but cheap enough to make them worth the money.
    3. HG does need more moderators. Honestly the staff application process is a bit strict and can be loosened a bit, but I do like that most of the mods on Brawl are mature and responsible, unlike most servers these days.
     
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  8. TheMafias

    TheMafias Something wise

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    I agree with Lacota, I wish he didn't say it so aggressively... but in a more mannered way. Brawl needs to respect that McPvP players want memories not something completely different. Remember, a lot of us were forced into brawl :grinning:
     
  9. chickenputty

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    Of the 5 videos uploaded 3 of them were trying to continue the "Top 5" series that seemed to be the most well received video on the channel. We received an insane amount of negative backlash for even doing this. So, I have no idea how you can say it's solely because of the content we're uploading. Pretty sure the audience of the YouTube channel are players who have quit Minecraft ages ago and find it fun to bash on the new content because "MCPVP IS DEAAAAAAAAAAD".

    I can't even fathom writing a longer reply to you when you can just type a simple one liner that requires so much more effort to respond to than to write ("wtf sometimes I think you're actually retarded"). If you wish to be taken seriously then actually provide valid arugments.

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    Per the original poster, remember that we have just continued the gamemode from it's previous state at MCPVP. We didn't add all the useless kits and no-soup. Your other points are well valid; I do think the gamemode needs to be revamped in order to take off again.
     
  10. TheMafias

    TheMafias Something wise

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    I agree putty. I WANT HG to be trendy again. I want a legacy of McPvP to be remembered and used by brawl to help continue both of them. Thanks for responding! I really want Brawl to make profit off of the server so they will pay a little more attention to it :grinning:
     
  11. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    The first top 5 video you guys uploaded (Week #46) got a lot of hate because it was done way too differently. Commenting over everything and changing the music, that's why it received a lot of hate. The second one, done by BBH, did not get a lot of hate. 800+ likes and about 40 dislikes. Doesn't this prove something?

    What the MCPVP community are pissed about is the fact that you guys posted a video advertising Wild West and Skywars, but NOTHING about HG being out of beta, or the tournament. Do you realize how many players could have returned to Brawl if they knew about the tournament?

    Besides, the lag in this tournament was horrible, to have people return, you need a tournament without lag, and advertise it.
     
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  12. Gohabsgo

    Gohabsgo Well-Known Member

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    Heres a valid argument

    Those videos were created about a month after the merge. One. Month. Was it expected for everything to happen very smoothly? Ofcourse there would be backlash. Everythings settled its been a year, having two lackluster attempts and then giving up is a horrible idea. Why is this so hard to comprehend? I can't believe I'm arguing over this, get some HG content out there

    To the original post since I haven't adressed it yet. It was obvious since the beginning that HG was set on the backburner, they waited too long to fix the simplest bugs. Once Totom came around the game turned out fine but the irreparable damage had already been done
     
  13. TheMafias

    TheMafias Something wise

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    What we are saying is just record one video advertising that McPvPers and Brawl players are getting allowed. Bring someone on they video most McPvPers know. Let THEM talk. Those McPvPers don't know brawl like we do, I want a lot of people to see brawl as I do. Brawl has actually been a lot to me. I want to help others get involved.
     
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    Are getting allowed?

    I don't mean to be nitpicky but that sentence doesn't make much sense.

    Going back to the original thread...


    Delete kits:

    From the standpoint of the Brawl administration team, no. From the standpoint of a player, no.

    I have Grenadier, a pretty fun but overall not incredibly strong kit. I do not want that to be ripped from me just because it isn't used as much as Kanga or Urgal, regardless of whether I receive store credit for it or not.

    What if something goes wrong with giving back store credit? What if there's a slight error? Brawl would get crucified on the charges of scamming. I've seen many servers attempt to do what you suggested - remove some rank or feature and compensate the players that owned it previously. You know what happened?

    Players raged even when the compensation went correctly and without issue. They ranted about scamming for weeks until the whole drama finally died down.

    I don't think Brawl would like a repeat.

    Delete NoSoup:

    I can't really argue either way with this one. NoSoup is fun, yes, but it's not an absolute necessity. I don't think new players come on Brawl for the HG.

    Rework Kits:

    Answered already.

    Raise Kit Prices:

    This idea isn't dull at all, it's plain wrong. Higher prices does not mean more money. It can also mean less people willing to buy, therefore, less money.

    Advertise:

    If an McPvP player was surprised to find that they couldn't connect to the McPvP hub, all they had to do was type in "mcpvp" in google. First result is some voting website. Second is the brawl.com website (hmhmm....). Third is "Welcome McPvP | Brawl", and fourth is "Farewell McPvP - We are shutting down". If a player takes a few seconds to read the description of that fourth result, it says "we are selling off most of our major assets...".

    You make the McPvP "veterans" such as yourself look absurd and unable to do simple tasks like GOOGLE A NAME by making the point "half the people do not know where it is". I don't think that's the real problem here, the real problem is that the people that aren't here anymore are simply not interested.

    Tournaments:

    Agree with this. There needs to be more life in the HG sub-community of Brawl.

    Staff:

    Has been answered.
     
  15. jarboyp

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    We aren't talking about advertising for mcpvper's we are talking about advertising for new players. The voting websites are pretty good for bringing on new players since Brawl is near the top 100 servers but voting could be increased by having voting vokens do something useful for HG (like renting a HG kit for a day or allowing a player to respawn 1 minute after dieing for a day.
     
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  16. TheMafias

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    We are saying advertise for the people on the YouTube channel. As "Veterans" we probably, I myself included, searched up mcpvp the moment it was sold. Advertise for new players; not the adults....
     
  17. salvi1camper

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    For revive hg brawl needs another famous youtubers in the brawl yt channel(with 100k - 10milion subs) that made videos on hg like bbh. If you search for "hardcore games" videos on the web that are uploaded in the last day the 98-99% are BRAZILIAN players (hardcore games is still famous but only on brazil) just search one of the top servers and all are from brazil i joined some of them and its terrible (i don't say any server for avoid advertising) the ping is 300-500 most of the time and sometimes is 1000ms , unplayable and don't have english translation of the plugins.
    In old mcpvp (and there is dedicated mcpvp servers on brazil) there is a brazilian community and of revive hg need the brazilian players and you tubers.

    Brawl hg is probably the only server with the hg with english players. But needs advertising
     
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  18. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    What ^ says is true. A lot of players are BR. Brawl should have a BR server
     
  19. iReD_

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    Although that's true, apparently BR servers aren't cheap, but don't get me wrong, it's a good idea. Although one thing that does worry me is probably having to play with ~150-200 ping, not sure if anyone else would want to do that either. Even if the BR servers are full, what about US?
     
  20. jarboyp

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    What Brawl should do is move the servers from northern Canada to the US East coast so BR, EU, and US players have good ping without splitting up the servers.
     
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