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Why new players don't play Warz, from an outsider's perspective.

Discussion in 'MC-WarZ' started by jarboyp, Apr 20, 2016.

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  1. jarboyp

    jarboyp Bunny Defender

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    I have played Warz for about 2 weeks and this is what I noticed that wasn't noob friendly:
    1. Headshots are pretty OP. Now before you go on and on about how there are strategies to counter this think about how a new player might feel about them. You have full iron, got tier 3 guns, you are on your way to the city, and you die in two hits by a team of two with Barrets. Not fun. Also, compared to more popular games (call of duty, battlefield, etc), Minecraft heads are really big, so they are an easy target in close range and long range fights. On top of that, the headshot multiplier is really powerful compared to how easy it is to headshot. On COD, the headshot multiplier usually ranges from 1.0-2.0 depending on the weapon. On here it is 2, which is really OP on high-tier sniper rifles.
    2. The tier 4 guns are too OP. I know they are hard to find, but I see many noobs take them from higher tier areas to lower tier ones and instant kill everyone, ruining the experience. Maybe if tier 4 guns weren't allowed out of zone 5+ areas this would be OK, otherwise this needs to be changed.
    3. Snipers can be easily hip-fired. Really? These things need to have insane recoil and terrible accuracy when hip firing to balance this out. Snipers are easily the best all-around gun in the game because of the unbalance.
    4. Swords are near useless against players. These things do almost no damage to a player compared to swords. I guess swords are a good starting weapon but if you get a shotgun with some ammo you just throw the sword away at this point. This is bad because most new players aren't going to know how to use a gun effectively like they know how to use a sword. At least put sharpness on the swords so they do a bit more damage.
    5. Teams. These plugin is really confusing. So you can make a team with a maximum of 5 people, ok. However when all 5 people are on you have FF on anyway, until there is 3 people or less. Why is this the case? Why not just make 1 team of 3 and another team of 2? At least the is less FF going on. Just make it so that there is no FF on at all when all 5 teamates are on. It's a lot simpler and easier for new players to understand.
     
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  2. Piky

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    Okay, I'm going to list some things to help.
    The headshot multiplier is x2 the amount of damage (per pellet/snowball), if you're wondering how you died so easily by a Barrett, Here is the damage stat from the Wiki page.
    Damage: 150 (300 for crit).
    Now think about this for a second, you have iron armor, reducing 60% of incoming damage. 60 damage taken from base Barrett shot, 120 from a headshot (insta-kill).
    Not sure if it's possible to change the multiplier down.
    Source: https://www.brawl.com/wiki/weapons-warz/ (Not always a 100% source)

    And yes, swords are almost useless but at least they help negate more damage if you block with it!
    WarZ is hella not noob friendly but that's how it was coded and formed into the way WarZ is now by the community.
     
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  3. Buckhunter879

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    You can make the sword avoid armor or increase the damage output.
     
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  4. jarboyp

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    When you block with a sword it slows you down so you are an easy target.
    Wow the headshot multiplyer is worse than I thought. It needs to be around 1.1-1.2 for the shotguns and 1.4-1.5 for the snipers. The Barret really needs to be nerfed though. It needs a damage nerf so it can't instant-kill a full iron.
     
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    THATS THE **** WHOLE POINT OF A BARRET!!! IF IT DIDNT ONE SHOT PEOPLE WOULD USE AWP SPAS!!! AND THEN THEY WOULDNT DONATE UNLESS THEY WANTED TO TP CUZ AWP SPAS IS EZ TO FIND
     
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    For a more easier way of understanding this. Not hatin' c:
    The AWP (Tier II) Spas-12 (Tier IV) and are generally easy to find and do considerable amounts of damage.
    Both weapons are great if you can "combo" with them and get headshots.
     
  7. jarboyp

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    With shotguns there is a good amount of spread so you can only use it at close/mid range. With the Barret it is good at long range, mid range, and close range, and it can instantkill.
     
  8. WarSkater

    WarSkater Rob // MC-WarZ Hardcore Crafter

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    It's the point of the game. Higher you get, the better the loot is. The goal is to survive, that's what we do.

    From what I know, they don't plan on changing anything MAJOR on WarZ anytime soon, due to new gamemodes coming out in the future.

    #WarZ2.0
    #Soon
     
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  9. Aboves

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    Before I begin just be aware that what I am going to say is my opinion. Whether you agree with me or not is up to you.
    1. Headshots are annoying, but it is a nice bonus for those with good accuracy. If you are a new player with tier 3 guns and die instantly to a barrett headshot, it teaches them to be more careful. They now know they have to be more aware. The head shot multiplier isn't too bad in my opinion. I feel it really should one shot to the head, it's more similar to shooter games, and more realistic.
    2. Tier 4 guns are very good, but not as amazing as we think. A barrett undeniably does a lot of damage, but it wont even one shot a 1/4 iron if it is not a headshot. It is also part of the struggle, and fun to challenge yourself with lower tier weapons. Ask yourself what feels like a better kill. Easily killing a 3/4, or, struggling to kill a 3/4 because you have only tier 3 weapons, and you win because you are a better player. It feels much more rewarding, and adds more of a challenge.
    3. They seem like they have amazing hip fire accuracy, but more often than not you miss your hip fire shots with the barrett. I will admit, it has better hip fire accuracy than it should, but because of this it makes it more skill oriented, not luck based. If you win a fight just because you got lucky with a barrett shot, it will aggravate people, and it does now even with decent hip fire accuracy.
    4. Swords are valuable to people with guns, as they can be used to block grenades and negate much of the damage. However, I do like the idea of putting more damage on some of the swords, maybe making them into a possibly useful weapon.
    5. Teams are not really anything to worry about for a new player. A new player is unlikely to have many people to play with, most don't ever play with 5 or more other people. Also, splitting a team into two different teams makes it so that you cannot track enemies, which is often even more deadly than the friendly fire.
     
  10. jarboyp

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    I suppose all of your points are legitimate(your opinion anyway) , except point 1, where you say "it's more similar to shooter games, and more realistic." The only way to one shot someone in the head on most AAA games is with snipers, which are bulky, take long to ads, etc (excluding COD hardcore mode). Also, this isn't exactly realistic because if you are wearing a caste iron helmet and are shot in the head, you are probably not going to die in one shot.
     
  11. Aboves

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    From a sniper rifle you probably would die in one shot. Most of the rifles in the game would be classified as anti aircraft weaponry, which is capable of blowing of your whole arm if you were if be shot in the hand. So if you were to be shot in the head, despite the helmet, I believe we would still die.

    To be more on topic, I see where you are coming from, and your opinions are understandable despite me disagreeing with some :smile:
     
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