Wild West - POLL: Reset - Hate the Changes or Love them?

Agreed Eil, I feel like the game isn't as fun as it used to be, it might be better for sheriffs, but not the majority of the players, which is like, 100+ people compared to 10-20 sheriffs

 

I think the armour/gun prices should be lowered, but still be more expensive then before the reset.

 

1. Houses should still be rentals so that we don't have to have dozens of houses so that everyone can get one. The prices of renting a house per week should be lowered.

2. Sheriff guns were already nerfed, and they're meant to be powerful to fight those individuals or TEAMS that are resisting arrest.

3. Ore prices are decent enough to justify mining since you don't have to worry about the risk of sheriffs arresting you.

4. Pickaxe prices need to be lowered. More people would consider legal money making if iron picks weren't 900G and diamond picks weren't 3000G.

5. The player tracker should have never existed. Wild West does not want to go the way of WarZ. The player tracker was overpowered.

6. The bandit tracker should be removed. The bandit tracker tracks the nearest person with 3000+ bounty within a 3000 block radius. I typically have over 3000 bounty simply because I often have to kill TEAMS of noobs that come after me, and usually only one of them is rogue, so I gain a ton of bounty.

7. The rogue system is both great and awful. It is great because it makes the people who are actual rogues that kill everyone on sight vulnerable and easier to arrest, but it also makes people who are just defending themselves both trackable and susceptible to arrest. Too many times have I been chased by a person with only melee weapons, told them to leave me alone, they refuse, and I gun them down, only to have myself get the rogue tag and have the sheriff arrest me. The issue is that the rogue system doesn't differentiate between people defending themselves who happened to get the first hit in and actual thugs. I don't know what could be done to solve this issue, but I HATE having to wait for a hostile to hit me first before I can retaliate (and risk likely death) just to avoid arrest and more bounty gain.

8. I like high gear prices. I felt like I really earned it when I got diamond armor. I like how you don't see teams walking around all wearing diamond armor like you did quite often pre-reset. Diamond armor, being the best bandit armor, should be the result of a few days (if you don't play all day like many of you do and actually go outside or something) labor, and not something you can afford the entire set for 10k.

9. Drug prices are good right now. Drug runs aren't that much better than mining if you do something like tobacco, but wildgrass is still 25G per sticky unit. That's stellar. 40 of those and you have 1k. 64 wildgrass is 1600G.

Overall, post-reset Wild West begets players acting more carefully and not squandering funds.

 

Lower population though

 

Yes, if your going to up the price on armor, guns, ammo we need something in return that makes these items worth purchasing. For diamond armor you could add protection I or II to the armor to make it worth are wild to drop 45k on a set. As of now there are no incentives to buy plane diamond armor for 45k then, go and get killed with a 1 shot from a sheriff. That 45k is not including the prices of ammo and guns. But if you keep the diamond the same price without adding protection, make it so if you are arrested you just lose your illegal items instead of armor/swords/legal weapons/ammo this would possibly make more players buy diamond armor (less risk to lose it).

Let me just correct a few wrong facts before I give the true hard facts. -

Here are the true calculations for drugs and how much they were decreased by. You might want to take glance @Lord_Roke after saying they were only decreased by a mean of "27%".

Formula: After / Before -1
Example (Poppy): 14/30 = .466 -1 = .53 = 53%

Before Reset| After | Total decrease
Wildgrass | 50 | 25 | 50%
Poppy | 30 | 14 | 53%
Coco | 28 | 20 | 28%
Shrooms | 37 | 11? | 70%
Tabaco | 32 | 8 | 75%

50+53+28+70+75= 276
276/5 = 55.2

Bringing the total average of drug selling prices to 55.2% not "27%". After being told that these are the set prices for all dealers now in the game (unless they have changed). Not to mention that they did increase the processing times for some drugs.

My vote for the server is to keep the drug sale price the same and change the price of diamond/guns to the prevois price before the reset. I do like the idea of renting houses in Wild West but with drugs being reduced my 55% it is hard to get enough money every week to afford rent for a house. So we just need to find a happy medium that players can afford.

 

Seems like someone didn't pay attention at school in the math lessons... sig?

 

Your calculations are based on wrong facts: The original drug prices you are using are the bugged ones. These prices were a part of the reasons for the reset because they made the economy extremly unbalanced.
The processing times weren't increased at all, some drugs were switched so they have different processing times.

 

I prefer the old system. It's the reason I stopped playing Wild West after the reset. It's hard to earn money now with all the sheriffs, and you have to work ages for a set of Diamond Armor and a decent gun. I normally like games where you have to work hard for something, but this is just too much.

 

When we found out about these drug dealers players already earned massive amounts of money from them.

You claimed that a majority of the community preferred the old system, now I want to see what the community thinks through a poll. I don't see how adding the option "I would prefer a compromise" is in any way suspicious.

 

Are you serious? This wasn't a bug, it was clearly intentional design, at least at some point.

Worse dealer: Closest Dealer NPC from Town, Always. Standing alone in the middle of nowhere, always.
Better Dealer: Never Closest Dealer NPC from town. Never standing alone in the middle of no-where, always had some buildings around him and another NPC (either stable or headhunter).

These two dealer types were clearly included with thoughtful design, to say they were "a bug" can't possibly be correct.

Also, if they were a "bug" then PLEASE devote some ACTUAL staff time to keeping track of Wild West and publishing changes to the public, because these Tiered Drug dealers were COMMON knowledge a week before the reset, I told people about them in global AND in my Forums Guide. You could have started the reset a week earlier if you had paid attention (if this "bug" really was a reason for the reset").

 

I don't know why you are trying to deny it, it is a fact that they were a bug. When Wild West was released to the public a new economy with cheaper prices in all aspects was implented, however, the drug prices of some drug dealers were not changed. Thus these drug prices were too high.
Also, your reasoning doesn't make sense since sometimes drug dealers at miscellaneous locations are closer to the rebel camp than the ones at towns.
And we did know about the drug dealers more than a week before the reset, but since the reset had to include major game and economy changes we couldn't just do it immediately.

 

I understand you now. They were a mistake, they were unintentionally high. But clearly they were designed with two separate types in mind, as each had their own consistent characteristics. In video games we don't call that a bug.

 

I'll back up the authors argument here (again).
It's rather unusual of you to keep on changing the authors poll without his consent of choices, you automatically do it. Yes I'll agree with partly Roke on 'community choices' but still, why not ask the author FIRST before changing something that he was not wanting to be forcibly changed? It doesn't seem right to go and change stuff that he was intending to originally have without suggestions to change his poll in a more polite manner.

 

Don't edit my post... for no reason. Thanks just making a point about how my "language" is not nearly as bad as talking about drugs w/around kids.

 

The only changes i dislike are
-House renting. ( You'll have to be a wildwest addict to keep up with the renting )
-Player tracker. ( You can't be sneaky anymore )
-Decreased drug prices. ( You guys decreased drug prices & increased the price of literally EVERYTHING )

 

... I don't understand. He is saying that these dealers were supposed to be exactly the same as the dealers outside of towns. Exactly the same. He is saying that they were not designed with two separate types in mind, they simply were meant to be placed in a different location, which they were intentionally. The "mistake" (they were unintentionally high) is called a bug in video games.

Consider it an honor that a higher up would actually take the time to be interested in what the community really wants to the point of changing the voting options on an existing thread. Think about it. If Roke actually cares enough to adjust your poll to be unbiased, maybe that means that some changes are being considered, and the staff want an accurate representation of the community's opinion.

In actuality, people are misunderstanding what he said. I don't think that his facts were ever shown to be inccorect...

You don't know that.

I actually did like it. Maybe it could come back this way if the dealers were actually changed to be "secret dealers" and wouldn't show up on the compass...

^^^