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Cuffing, Ticketing, then Abandoning the player

Discussion in 'Wild West' started by Dsawemd, May 3, 2016.

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  1. Dsawemd

    Dsawemd Well-Known Member

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    Everytime I get ticketed, the sheriff walks up, cuffs me, I pay immediately, and instead of uncuffing me, without fail the past 10+ times I have been ticketed (by a Non-Serine1002 Sheriff), they WALK AWAY leaving me cuffed and within range of pvpers!! Once I yell at them in chat, they come back and uncuff me.

    The sheriffs all tell me they forgot to uncuff me, I've heard that same line from the same sheriffs multiple times now. Some have particularly poor memories.
    @InfiniSTistus
    @crazybombguy
    @xxMineSheepxx
    edit: I have tagged sheriffs who I know have experienced this with me, this is not an indictment. If anything, I encourage them to respond to the suggested ideas. I do not know any players who have had this issue, or I would tag them as well. It seems that I am one of a few people who decide to pay tickets.

    If there isn't a rule clarification that Sheriffs must stand next to ticketed players until the ticket is resolved, I am going to start deleting people when the Sheriff abandons them during a ticket, since it sounds like good fun.

    Alternatively, make Handcuffed players Immune to ALL attack/damage.
    edit: Sig and other's good alternative: Handcuffs are removed automatically after paying your ticket.

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  2. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    In theory, the handcuff lasts for about 10 minutes and then they automatically get uncuffed, I believe.
    And yes, it is annoying when the player magically pays his ticket as this almost never happens. Most of the players cannot pay their bounties, so the sheriff can focuss on other rogues / rebel bases / illegal activities.
     
  3. InfiniSTistus

    InfiniSTistus I´m Rock´s mommy

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    Ok first of all In my defence,
    I have only done that once. I ticketed you. Then ran away 20 blocks. Then saw your message 30 blocks away. Then I start running back.
    You can't always expect us to wait besides you whilst waiting for you to go to jail or not.The universe Doesn´t erovle around you, Sorry. Especially when there´s a rouge 50 blocks away.
    This pisses me off. Whilst I´m trying to do my job players post this and just waste our time with TINY things That aren´t even wrong. You posting this is just a waste of my time and yours.

    I get it if this would be a bug report, "after paying the ticket your still in handcuffs" But since your pointing out certain sheriffs. Since I didn´t do anything wrong And I assume they didn´t either. If you have proof please report to roke otherwise drop it.
     
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  4. Champloo

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    Atleast 3 times*

    But yeah this is annoying, it Should auto uncuff when paid
     
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  5. Dsawemd

    Dsawemd Well-Known Member

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    I will explain to any curious staff why the current system of cuffing, and the pvp interactions when you Pay a ticket and have zero bounty but are cuffed are broken if need be.

    It is an abusable glitch, in my opinion, A known one, but I still won't spread people's knowledge of how to use it by explicitly repeating it here. That's why I offered solutions to the issue rather than instructions on how to glitch.

    You're mistaken in thinking that I am accusing the sheriffs of any wrongdoing in this thread. The current rules allow them to do what they are doing. I won't argue specific times with you, but I do remember the number of times you, @InfiniSTistus have done this as more than one.
     
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  6. InfiniSTistus

    InfiniSTistus I´m Rock´s mommy

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    1st, I have never done. End of discussion. and 2nd your pretty much tagging sheriffs and saying there doing it wrong.
    Not going to argue.
     
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  7. Dsawemd

    Dsawemd Well-Known Member

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    Something tells me arguing with you would be difficult.
     
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  8. randomcitizen1

    randomcitizen1 The schizophrenic swagmoneymillionaire

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    I understand how you might see this as an issue, but you have to recognize this. 99% of the time, players can't pay their tickets, so sheriffs are used to not waiting 2 blocks away from a handcuffed player. It's a matter of habit, and if multiple people are telling you this, maybe you should give them a little grace instead of being so adamant with them. Needless to say, we'll do our best to remember that you tend to pay your tickets. Also, I don't think that sheriffs should be required to stand by ticketed players, because oftentimes they take absolutely forever to choose not to pay their bounty and go to jail. Long ones can last anywhere from 5-10 minutes, though in one instance, a person I've ticketed waited over an hour (@Kev917 :v). If you want a change in protocol, sheriffs could wait nearby (not directly next to mind you) players who can pay their bounties until they do so perhaps up to 1.5 minutes, but if the player can't, the sheriff should be able to leave them. Additionally, I'm not certain how legitimate your concerns are considering you blew this very situation out of proportion with me yesterday. When I handcuffed you, I distanced myself about ten blocks from you and you paid your bounty off. There was one other player in the area, but he remained behind me the entire time, yet you lost it. I understand that this might seem frustrating, but I don't think that remaining handcuffed for a few seconds is much of an issue at all. I'm not even sure if the sheriff can be at fault if a person in handcuffs is killed by another player. Please recognize that we currently don't have to defend handcuffed people. Whether we should or not however is open for discussion. :v
    The tone of this thread along with this post and your attitude towards most sheriffs in general brings into doubt the legitimacy of your issues. Insulting the people you are trying to get to cooperate with you will get you nowhere. Hopefully this issue will be resolved via an auto-uncuff system eventually.
     
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  9. Signatured

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    It should be you're unhandcuffed and sent to spawn once you pay off your bounty.
     
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  10. Dsawemd

    Dsawemd Well-Known Member

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    I have recognized that.

    Yesterday we had a sheriff Kill someone in town while they were cuffed with Zero bounty, and take their full diamond. The day before that we had a sheriff call on the entire server to help him raid a rebel base (ok the Guy there was a hacker, but still illegal). Sheriffs have little in-game oversight, little chance of being caught when they bend the rules unless the person is already recording, and have in my personal experience used those advantages to bend or break rules. If my tone seems aggravated, I have expressed myself clearly.
     
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  11. Jaetpack1

    Jaetpack1 Why jetpack when you can Jaetpack? (RC1)

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    The issue is not from the sheriffs but the current handcuffing system. In other words, you really should not be mad towards the sheriffs, and rather to the system. The sheriff almost always goes away to tend to other duties, rather than standing next to a player and wait for them to choose what to do. Also, in times, there are other enemies at the area, and the sheriff can't risk getting killed just waiting for the player. It really should be that when the player pays off their bounty, they should just be automatically released towns or their house if they have one.
     
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  12. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    Just to clarify, sheriffs can't kill anyone in a town if their bounty is lower than 1k. It is theoritically impossible to kill someone that has a bounty lower than 1k.
     
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  13. 13kss

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    Hihi you did it twice to me yesterday
    And yes i reported it to roke

    Pyro and me had a blast yesterday about agrueing with you. So lets not do it again.
     
  14. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    Jaetpack his quote should clarify why this has happend "more than 1 time". It is not illegal for any sheriff to abandone a cuffed player.
    This is why we do not answer as nice as you wanted us to Dsawemd.
     
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  15. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    I am going to just point out that all sheriff issues should be PM'ed to Lord_Roke

    A lot of sheriffs do not have time to sit around and wait for people to decide on the path for the ticket or have somewhere to go after a player is ticketed. I make this mistake sometimes too.
     
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  16. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    Good idea sir, then why mention it in another thread? And as we already said, abandoning a cuffed player is not illegal for a sheriff to do, so no need for reporting him.
    I, myself, have done this quite some times before and uncuffed this player most of the times. Sometimes, I'm just too busy with trying to catch those 10 rogues on my own, which, 1-2 of them might log when I get close.
     
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  17. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    Once you pay the ticket you are automatically returned to your regular point of view. My recommendation would be to make it so that when tickets are payed you are automagically unhandcuffed.
     
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  18. 13kss

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    This is even better than sending them to spawn i think.

    I waited about 7 min and kept saying once a minute to uncuff me, but he didnt reply or come back. I know that he was chasing pyro but pyro was too fast for him and out of his viewing range. Pyro was in ts with me so yes that is true what i am saying.
     
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  19. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    I just figured that instead of being sent to spawn and losing all of your items anyways, you could get unhandcuffed instantly get unhandcuffed, sheriffs can leave faster, everyone is happy.
     
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  20. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    I never said that what happened wasn't right, but InfiniStus did not have to uncuff you. There is no rule in the sheriff handbook that says that he has to uncuff you, so your report is false.
     
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