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Cuffing, Ticketing, then Abandoning the player

Discussion in 'Wild West' started by Dsawemd, May 3, 2016.

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  1. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    I'm pretty sure that if someone blows money on staying away from jail, you should unhandcuff them so that they at least have SOME chance of defending themselves from enemies.
     
  2. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    Just wondering, did InfiniStus ticket DeCasperr or only handcuffed him.
    And yes, but this should be added to the handbook. InfiniStus did not have to uncuff him.
     
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  3. aGuyInAsuite

    aGuyInAsuite Build Mod

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    I agree with this. Sheriffs should not be punished, but rather an auto uncuff system should be enabled.

    However, this thread was unnecessary. Just like what infinite said, the way you worded the thread was very accusative and threw a lot of people under the bus. Sheriffs have a lot of work to do without people calling abuse, or complaining.

    Try thinking of an idea or suggestion next time instead of attacking members and starting arguments.
     
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  4. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    I always unhandcuff after ticketing, so that I dont have this issue :L
     
  5. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    Oh yeah I forgot about that.
     
  6. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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  7. PatrykSzczescie

    PatrykSzczescie Active Member

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    People choose going to jail over paying their bounty not with no reason. :dead:
     
  8. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    They dont have the money on their persons to pay it off :V
     
  9. InfiniSTistus

    InfiniSTistus I´m Rock´s mommy

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    I ticketed him wilst trying to avoid pyro, if I wouldn't have chansen after pyro He would have just straffed around me trying to kill me.
    And casperr and pyro. I Did record that incident your Talking about, I Also upploaded it to yt, showing booth rm and roke, How I Did nothing wrong and you flamed me.

    Edit: @DeCasperr the handcuffs only hold players for 3-5 mins You cant have been waiting for 7 mins
    And since I recorded and I assume you didn't I'm pretty sure we can see the thruth.
     
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  10. randomcitizen1

    randomcitizen1 The schizophrenic swagmoneymillionaire

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    This is an excellent idea for a number of reasons. 1. If people are allowed to stay where they are, they can immediately continue doing illegal activity when the sheriff leaves. 2. The people can immediately attack the sheriff when they are uncuffed. This has happened before since people keep their legal guns with them after being inspected. Heck, Ds went rogue twice in a rebel base by shooting a player with a carcano. After the first time, he paid off his bounty and immediately attempted to kill the player again. I ticketed him again and he paid it off again. To me, this seems like a way around the system almost as player can keep doing illegal activity directly after they pay off their ticket if they have enough money, and sheriffs can't do anything but re-ticket them.
    I never said that all sheriffs are 100% good, but you have to recognize that not all are 100% bad either. Would you consider ceasing throwing all sheriffs under a huge, blanket stigma? I understand that there has been issues in the past with certain sheriffs and there most likely will continue to be, but eventually, they will be caught and demoted if they continue to break the rules. This has already been done in the past, and I assure you that the current sheriffs won't be dealt with any differently. Measures are currently being implemented to track sheriff's actions, therefore they will not be able to so easily potentially abuse their power. Your concerns about the lack of oversight has already been noted and addressed, so perhaps this can be of some consolation to you.
     
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  11. AnimeLoverVerlyn

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    It doesn't have to be in rules moron. It's common sense.
     
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  12. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    First of all, I am not a "moron" ( stupid person, had to google it ).
    And second, sheriffs have to follow the handbook in all situations. This means that they have to handle differently in certain situations.
    There are no rules about "uncuffing" players so we do not have to follow those rules, thats a fact, not an opinion.
    And of course a sheriff can make changes, such as letting players send their horse back, drop diamond armour because its so expensive and etc.

    Edit: If you hadn't noticed yet, I do not like the tone that you are talking to me. You could've made this much more polite.
     
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  13. randomcitizen1

    randomcitizen1 The schizophrenic swagmoneymillionaire

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    Read this post.
     
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  14. AnimeLoverVerlyn

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    If you got offended over my comment, then my apologizes. However, the sheriff "handbook" does not cover ALL situations, i.e. What to do while chasing someone who has robbed the conductor after five minutes. As for the scenario which includes the handcuffing, it's pretty obvious that you should uncuff him after he has paid his dues, etc.

    But that would make you easy prey for anyone coming along, as you are unable to move.
     
  15. ZeFazzy

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    This discussion is part of why I quit WildWest. (kinda)
     
  16. randomcitizen1

    randomcitizen1 The schizophrenic swagmoneymillionaire

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    I understand that you should generally uncuff someone after they have paid their dues, but as it is not specifically stated in the handbook (and situations are bound to occur when immediately uncuffing is not an option or not the best option) it is left up to the discretion of the sheriffs. InfiniSTistus already gave an example of a situation that shows this to be true.

    As I stated previously, there is nothing in the handbook saying you have to protect a cuffed person. Whether or not they should have to is a subject open to debate.
     
  17. Dsawemd

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    Anyone who is arguing that a Sheriff does not HAVE to uncuff is incorrect.

    A sheriff cannot purposefully keep a player cuffed if the player has no illegal items and a zero bounty, conditions which are 100% guartanteed after being inspected and paying the ticket.

    While it is true that the phrasing is formed around the fact that a Sheriff cannot Cuff a player with zero bounty, it is still clear from the meaning that when a player has no bounty and no illegal items, they can not retain the status of Handcuffed.

    The status of "Handcuffed" is only allowable in specific circumstances, and cannot remain applied once those circumstances has been removed.

    Anyone arguing that it matters that the rules do not explicitly say a sheriff must uncuff (after the player is no longer illegal) is being deliberately obtuse. The original thread topic has had a reply by Sig and can be considered closed, imo. I apologize for bringing the larger issue of patterns of sheriff abuse into the thread, muddying it, and look forward to the changes for what happens when you pay a ticket.
     
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  18. iMacro

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    So this is what you were doing to me yesterday, you pay the moment I ticket you so I don't have opportunities to forget :V. Though teleportation to spawn makes no sense an automatically uncuff would work best. If I ever forget to handcuff anyone, I'm most likely pursuing someone.
     
  19. Shoot_Boy

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    Cuffs need to disappear as soon as you pay the ticket. Your illegal stuff, if any, will be gone at that point anyhow.
     
  20. SoullessAngel_

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    Already suggested.
     
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