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Hackers are a real problem. Please make NoCheat as stringent as it is on other servers.

Discussion in 'Wild West' started by Dsawemd, Jun 2, 2016.

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  1. Dsawemd

    Dsawemd Well-Known Member

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    @BrawlStaff

    If you do not fix this, more people will start hacking.

    A person on foot just chased me down while I was on the speed horse.

    I /reported him multiple times while it was happening.

    IT IS NOT THE JOB OF THE PLAYERS TO STOP HACKING.

    Edit: This thread originally had pictures. They were removed per the rule: You can't share pictures of people Hacking.
    I tried my hardest to get a screenshot of him when he was flying, but I could only get him while he was running, which I knew would be called "insufficient proof", so I posted it here to help foster a productive discussion.
     
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  2. Champloo

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    Exaclty, my whole team got killed by a hacker using fly hacks. I talked about this with staffs but they say "It will be fixed soon" It has been like this for ages. When a hacker is reported and the report is accepted the hacker will only get banned once they log off. But what kind of system is this? It doesnt work at all.
     
  3. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    The anti-cheat system was making too many false autobans, so it was disabled. It will be fixed eventually, but it will take time, as we have our devs working on other projects.
     
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  5. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    I've taken down two, one I reported to Viva and another Mafia and I spotted when he blinked down through a roof and killed me with killaura. I called it out, Mafias started recording, got a clip of him speeding, and I did the hour kick. Perfect teamwork.
     
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  6. Champloo

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    This still doesnt fix the whole problem. The problem is the NoCheat / BrawlBot not working. And the ban system not functioning correctly.
     
  7. Dsawemd

    Dsawemd Well-Known Member

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    It is not the job of players to catch hackers.

    From this point on, I am no longer helping catch hackers.

    Of course, I will never hack myself (and I will never ally with hackers, they are losers), but I refuse to help you limp along without a real Anti-Cheat plugin. Hopefully if enough of us speak up, they will finally listen.
     
  8. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    You should record when you see one. I do. It feels so satisfying.
     
  9. Dsawemd

    Dsawemd Well-Known Member

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    Doing so increases the likelihood that I will die to the hacker, as when I begin to record I lag some.

    It's not my job, so I would rather try to save my hard earned items than catch the Hacker. I also encourage others to realize that its not their job either.

    If we all stop, they will have to listen and implement no-cheat.
     
  10. DLV

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    I am not much of a PvPer and don't risk too much going to rebel bases "that often". But I seriously gotta agree to all of this, I know the devs are working on other projects mostly because of the EULA and don't have that much time to fix anti-cheat, but come on hackers on WildWest are really common these days. They became too much of a common thing now a days that players stopped reporting them.
     
  11. stlast

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    Usually I try not to reply (and side) in threads like this, but I want to say something anyway.

    This is a perfect example of being human. We all want ourselves to benefit and be happier - but a lot of us take things the wrong way. I understand that you want to keep your own items, though by not "assisting the server" and taking the hacker down, think of what may happen. If you don't report/record the hacker, but win the fight, then you've just simply tossed the problem over to someone else. One day, you may very well be killed by a hacker and lose all your OP expensive gear - and what would you think if you found out that someone else could have reported and sent the hacker to banville, but didn't? And just because that person didn't report the hacker, now YOU take the fall? You'd probably be fairly peeved, and completely ignore the fact that you've done the exact same thing before.

    We're not perfect, we're human, but being human doesn't mean you have full rights to sacrifice the well-being of others for your own benefit. I know this probably sounds extreme, but so few take subtlety seriously that it seemed a bit necessary.
     
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  12. GetShadowRealmed

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    So what you are saying is that you want hackers to roam free. Great idea. Also it is part of the players job to catch hackers. Staff cant pay attention to the 700+ players out there
     
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  13. Dsawemd

    Dsawemd Well-Known Member

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    Then get more staff.

    You can't punish me for refusing to chase down hackers and try to screenshot them. I'm not saying that I will turn a blind eye to hacking, I just wont waste my time trying not to die while spamming F2 to catch them.

    When I see in chat someone is hacking or if I miss my first chance to record: instead of chasing the hacker, I will go play elsewhere, and check back later to see if the hacker is gone. This is a perfectly legitimate response to a server being incapable of dealing with basic hackers.
     
  14. randomcitizen1

    randomcitizen1 The schizophrenic swagmoneymillionaire

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    Yes, something does need to be done about this. Unfortunately, we aren't the only server community Brawl has to worry about, and from some threads recently posted, clearly the coders are very much occupied. Non-codeable solutions would be welcome however. (Such as accepting recordings of navigators tracking an obvious speed hacker. *Wink Wink*)
    This sort of thing will only make it worse. They don't have to do anything. If the community does nothing, then it will only allow more hackers to roam freely. Seriously guys, where Brawl's system is weak, the community should step up in the meantime until something is done about it.
     
  15. Dsawemd

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    I understand that community refusal to take time to try to catch hackers will make it worse. I am trying to force the issue. There are plugins already coded which can Auto-ban fliers.
     
  16. randomcitizen1

    randomcitizen1 The schizophrenic swagmoneymillionaire

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    I do agree with you on the flying issue. That really should not be too difficult to fix. I'd be fine dealing with only grounded speed hackers for the present until Brawlbot can be fixed. Under what other circumstances would a player be mistaken as flying anyways? Maybe getting launched by a lasso?
     
  17. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    *complains about the hacking "problem"*
    *refuses to help fix the "problem"*

    ah great we've got a smart one this time

    If someone's going to hack on a server, they're going to do it knowing they could get banned either way. Implementing something which isn't extremely accurate and only bans for 12 hours is hardly going to effect anything.

    Firstly, spamming /report will get you no-where. It'd be like me spamming 10 threads on the forums asking for wool back in CTF. The staff can read, they only need to see it once. If no staff came, boo hoo, you died to a hacker. This happens in every single multiplayer game. Get used to it.

    If you want hackers to be caught, it kinda is. I know you're unfamiliar with this concept, but staff are allowed to have these things called "lives".

    So you're complaining about hackers, but refuse to help just because you don't want to lose items? You deserve every hacker you get, if you're straight up saying that you're not going to bother helping.

    Alternatively, if people like you stopped being so butthurt and stuck up, there will be no need for an anti-cheat as the mods can actually ban players permanently.

    There's in issue with guns in America right now. Why don't you go ahead and shoot a bunch of people to force the issue?

    How is this system flawed? Like it or not, almost every single hacker on any server, no matter how big or small, will kill someone unfairly. If you record and report it, the hacker will be permanently banned much quicker than if you let an inaccurate autoban give 70% of hackers a few 12 hour autobans.
     
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  18. Dsawemd

    Dsawemd Well-Known Member

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    Reimplementing the autobanning plugin is already planned, from what @Eil has told me of his conversations with Chicken and Sig. That isn't being debated.

    My goal here is to clearly communicate to the server that many of us as players have had enough of the current system, which expects too much of us, and to push for a timely solution. We need to speed this up.

    All we want to do is play. If we wanted to help run a server, we would apply for Staff and get the tools needed (such as spectator mode) to catch hackers.
     
  19. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    All anyone wants to do is play, and hackers stop people from playing. If you're not going to bother reporting a hacker simply because you're butthurt that the admins and devs have more important things to deal with, you're indirectly ruining the fun of every single person that the hacker kills, because you could've helped stop them. Congratulations on being part of the hacking problem.
     
  20. rmure

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    Wrong.
    It's the job of players to catch hackers when there's no staff available to get on the scene, and it's the staff's job to ban them.
    So you would rather keep your hard earned items than risk losing them by recording the hacker? Wouldn't you lose those items either way from the hacker killing you?
    And why encourage others not to record and report hackers? It won't rush the staff to implement anything, it'll just rush players away from the server due to a downfall of hackers.
     
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