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Bring them back from the dead!

Discussion in 'Discussion' started by PorkChops30, Jun 13, 2016.

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  1. PorkChops30

    PorkChops30 Well-Known Member

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    The maps of mc-war are getting old and repetitive. A new map was not introduced for a long time. So bring back the dead! Some of these maps were great while some of them were one-sided. However, some edits could be made so that they are more balanced.

    Bring back:
    -beaver why was this map ever erased?
    -halooutpost (with some adjustments to make even for red and maybe making it a bit smaller by erasing part of the top part and no infect)
    -toystory (no infect that gm was cancer)
    -blowout (with some adjustments to make even for red)
    -valhalla why was this map ever erased?(besides oom which could be fixed easily)
    -dustbowl1,2 and 3 (no infect, only tdm and ctf, add more entrances)
    Change:
    dday2- unless the red team is stacked, they are screwed.
    killhouse- people love it but i think it could be better if it is expanded a bit so that tdm could be played on it.
     
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  2. GetShadowRealmed

    GetShadowRealmed What do I put here

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    So much iso. There is a reason they were removed. What we need are some new maps like BO3 maps.
     
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  3. aGuyInAsuite

    aGuyInAsuite Build Mod

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    Working on it, takes time to make quality maps.

    But anyways, I haven't played most of these maps so I can't give input.
     
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  4. PorkChops30

    PorkChops30 Well-Known Member

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    well there should be some maps where snipers are better. I can't list more than 3 maps where using sniper is better than a automatic. Should maps preferring skull crusher such as summit and carrier be removed?
     
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  5. MrWaffleman

    MrWaffleman The negligence of time's end is man's downfall

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    This can apply to almost any game, but basically it gets very tiring to have so many maps in a rotation, to the point where you play one map you really like, and you never see that map again until like a week or even a month. Other than that the maps that were removed were removed with caution and understanding, they were also removed for unfair gameplay mechanics and such. Some of them provide barely any cover, some of them look sloppy and bad, etc. Even if you think they are genuinely good, there are simply other maps that have better gameplay than the others. One might be okay, but then there's another map that's awesome, which one would you rather have?

    If there could be 1 MC-War server dedicated to these old maps that would be nice, but I don't think they should be introduced in the actual rotation of maps.
     
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  6. Piky

    Piky Well-Known Member

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    The problem with those maps being so sniper good is that you could snipe the enemies from their spawn when they just got out. It became huge problems as you could never ever get out of your own base without being 1-shotted over and over again. Halooutpost was one of the worst maps ever played on to be Infect. The infect spawn was horrendous as you couldn't even get out no matter what. It was more of a KDR farming simulator than anything. Very rarely the zombies could win on that map, even they got most of the campers, it was an insanely large map.
    But that's on infect, on the same maps, snipers dominated because the Isolator is a 1 shot kill, its steady aim provided a straight bullet that would end up killing someone when they couldn't even see the person.
    Other maps like Summit and Carrier that have Skull Crusher dominance isn't as bad per-say, Infect Carrier has some issues but not as bad as Halooutpost, still nonetheless has huge issues. Summit has a huge issue where people will sit in a specific location and hold down the right click even before someone shows up as the hitbox's of the snowballs will hit the player just in time usually.

    TL;DR
    Most maps taken out due to unfair gameplay.
     
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  7. PorkChops30

    PorkChops30 Well-Known Member

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    While i agree with the fact that some of these maps were very open and snipers were usually all near their spawn shooting across that map, this could be fixed with some map adjustments. Ex: Adding more entrances, adding more cover and making the map smaller.

    There is also a point where maps in the same rotation get dull and boring. Perhaps a new rotation system could be installed to control how many times a map plays. For example: a certain set of maps play more commonly during duration of time. And after that time is over, the next set of maps get their turn. These durations could be about 3 days.
     
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  8. GetShadowRealmed

    GetShadowRealmed What do I put here

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    Decent to good sniping maps:
    Appaloosa, cargo, carrier, cove, Domewaw, Downhill, Dharan
    There are still quite a few good sniper maps.
     
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  9. PorkChops30

    PorkChops30 Well-Known Member

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    But in all these maps except Appaloosa automatics are preferred. Perhaps they are decent, but do you really go with iso on cargo,cove, domewaw, downhill, carrier or Dhahran? Skully is usually the go to on all of these maps.
    Only three good sniper maps left:
    Appaloosa(barely), wildwest and dday

    I don't even remember the last time I used Iso on Dhahran, carrier,cargo or domewaw
     
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  10. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    Halooutpost was way too unfair IMO, maybe change to balance it out?

    I'm also currently working on my trenches map, should be very fair for both teams.
     
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  11. PorkChops30

    PorkChops30 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I can see halo outpost being more fair if it was lowered and more ground focused. Develop the ground a lot more and have the buildings where people used to snipe a lot smaller. Also, more openings from the spawn
     
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  12. GetShadowRealmed

    GetShadowRealmed What do I put here

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    95% of the time yes
     
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  13. PorkChops30

    PorkChops30 Well-Known Member

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    Hm, I don't think that is it the norm. I never see snipers on carrier or Dhahran. I do sometimes see a sniper on cove but usually chow or an automatic. Same with domewaw, dominantly automatic, few snipers.
     
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  14. GetShadowRealmed

    GetShadowRealmed What do I put here

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    Didn't say it was the norm. Just saying by how open they are it's good for sniping. I just recently got a domewaw nuke. Almost a double but I died at a 17ks
     
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  15. PorkChops30

    PorkChops30 Well-Known Member

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    ah, i see. However, my argument is that while there are some who still prefer sniper and do well, skull crusher or an automatic has become the standard gun for every map. There is no need for a sniper. The few people who still are good with iso are called "iso nubs". There should be some balance between sniper and automatic because currently, the dominant playing style is "dancing with skully" and shooting in to one area. Sniping has become irrelevant.
     
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  16. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

    MR_EVIL_OVERLORD Elite Legacy Legend | PRO | Genius Super Villain

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    I shall clone Putty and then bring back those old great maps!
     
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  17. Algelier

    Algelier Former Staff Member.

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    Building new maps is easier said than done. It takes time to build an Mc-War map based on a COD one (or not). But I honestly don't know what the Build Team is actually focussed on. They could perhaps for once build maps which could be used for War instead of always maps for CTF.

    Some maps were removed for some reasons, we need very balanced maps for War. That wasn't the case for example for Halooutpost or others.
     
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  18. sjuka_legogubbar

    sjuka_legogubbar ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    I allready know what roke will say about the Dustbowl maps (i have asked him like 5 times) but i still want them back ;-;
     
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  19. DarkTitan_

    DarkTitan_ Ex War and News Manager

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    I made a map
    *Wink* *Wink*
     
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  20. Hitchens

    Hitchens Well-Known Member

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    It would be nice to see some ctf-maps in war. Would be pretty fun.
     
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