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Overpowered Sheriffs?

Discussion in 'Wild West' started by Eil, Jun 19, 2016.

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Do you think Sheriffs are Overpowered/Its too hard to kill sheriffs

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  1. Eil

    Eil Ex-Raid // Perm. Ban Manager
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    There is a current problem with sheriffs on WildWest. Firstly, it is very hard to make money now, since @18kss has promoted a lot of people to sheriff resulting in there being 1 sheriff per 10 players (or 1 sheriff per 5 players at peak times), which means a sheriff visits a rebel base every 5 minutes making it hard to make money. But, you can kill sheriffs - However sheriff guns are very powerful and can 1 shot any player up to a diamond armour (I have seen people with diamond chestplate and gold boots+helm+leggings get 1 shot). Which makes it very hard to kill sheriffs. I myself have been killed about 50 times by sheriffs. I can say that there are only 2 occasions of all of them which I have not been 1 shot (I was leather/gold for all 50 times). But, we can all buy diamond armour, which gives us a chance against sheriffs - however we're back to the start - too many sheriffs, so its hard to make money to buy the armour.

    So you can see here that we basically have an infinite loop. There are a few ways to fix this in my opinion.

    A - Reduce the number of sheriffs
    B - Make diamond armour/guns cheaper (relates to @chickenputty 's thread on economy)
    C - Make sheriff guns less powerful

    (may be more ways - I am open to additions)
     
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    #1 Eil, Jun 19, 2016
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  2. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    Sheriffs have already had their nerfs. We don't need to make any changes unless we're bringing back the Prot 1 iron. Sheriffs used to be OP, hence the changes, but now since more and more players are farming diamond and illegals, the usefulness of sheriffs has gone down considerably.

    Also, sheriff applications will be closing, so no more new sheriffs for a while.
     
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    #2 SoullessAngel_, Jun 19, 2016
  3. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    Just fix the headshot glitch so full diamonds can only be 2 shot at max.
     
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    #3 RMST1, Jun 19, 2016
  4. SoCool21

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    He's actually not promoted that many people. He's actually only promoted 5 sheriffs, one of which has already resigned, and he's closed sheriff applications. :stuck_out_tongue:

    Being one shot in full diamond is as a result of a glitch, our guns aren't actually meant to be that powerful. Also, I think I might know why it happens, but I'll need someone to test it on first. Also, the glitch happens to sheriffs when we get shot by t-gews, we will sometimes get one shot too.

    Instead, encourage sheriffs to play outside of peak times. I played for about 4 hours this morning when there was about 20 people, but almost no sheriffs on other than me. If the sheriffs we have didn't always play during peak times, there'd be less of an issue.

    I think diamond armour should be cheaper, but gun prices are fine at the moment, in my opinion. I've seen plenty of people with models and t-gews.

    The issue is, against a team of 4 or 5 full diamonds, sheriff guns need to be this powerful. We can't shoot first, and we have worse armour unless we buy kevlar, which we can't usually because we don't get enough money to afford to lose it. However, against a lone player, our sheriff guns are more than powerful enough. Its a tricky one to solve, really.
     
    #4 SoCool21, Jun 19, 2016
  5. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    We get quite a lot of money... I am in the top 20 of money on the leaderboards.
     
    #5 RMST1, Jun 19, 2016
  6. Eil

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    If you read my post carefully you'll see I am not talking about diamonds being 1 shot. I am talking about full golds being 1 shot (which is not as a result of the glitch, its the guns)
    So 1 sheriff per 5 players is ok? (HINT: It isn't)
    You can't control things like that. People play when they have time, which is usually in the afternoon of their timezone. Its like forcing people to play at 4 in the morning to satisfy the server needs.
    Well since the reset I have never seen 5 diamonds in the same place at one time. Why? Cause diamond is too expensive.
     
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    #6 Eil, Jun 19, 2016
  7. AnimeLoverVerlyn

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    +10. It's never five people with diamond, it's generally one, along with a few Indian/Cowboy.
     
    #7 AnimeLoverVerlyn, Jun 19, 2016
  8. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    Sheriffs are one shot too, don't fort get that. @Miraculate with the amazeeng close range model kills.
     
    #8 SoullessAngel_, Jun 19, 2016
  9. charlottethegirl

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    Right my intake:
    Solution A: I think this is the wrong way to approach a situation. It would not be fair to demote let's say blackbear being demoted. He has done nothing wrong but he still gets demoted. Is this is the way to approach the situation we should really look into abusing sheriffs.

    Solution B: this was obviously changed after reset since everyone had diamond armour. This was because sheriff kills were too common. This solution would make that happen all over again (with a smaller proportion, with drugs being cheaper).

    Solution C: I think this could be acceptable. Maybe stats with legal guns.

    My personal solution: I think solution c should be enforced but sheriffs can buy the better stuff back for around the price bandits have to pay for illegal guns so around 22k.
     
    #9 charlottethegirl, Jun 19, 2016
  10. amazingallen234

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    Sheriffs do not make a lot of money, so giving sheriffs weaker guns and making the current ones 22k is not a good solution and may cause a lot of sheriffs to quit which will shift the balance of the server making it not as fun to play for the sheriffs who stay.
     
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    #10 amazingallen234, Jun 19, 2016
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  11. iMacro

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    Almost half the time I can't even one shot a full leather because of my bad aim and shooting them in the foot when they jump around. A Twegehr can also one shot a sheriff, and for me the model is a lot better than the coach gun. Having zero spread makes it difficult for me to attack a target with a larger area for spraying it.
    So the model and coach gun are on par.
    Same with the twegehr and repeater.
    Damage is basically equal, only fire rate, spread and accuracy is different.
    I like the idea of buying better gear as an upgrade but sheriffs don't earn 30k per raid or something. The maximum I've made in one base was 10k from arresting/killing 7 people. Per raid, on average I can make 600 per raid. If lucky I can make up to 3k. A days work for me is close to 15k.
     
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    #11 iMacro, Jun 19, 2016
  12. SoullessAngel_

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    Guys, stop making it so that sheriffs would have to pay money to get their gear. It's nigh impossible to make money doing sheriff duties unless you put it away over time or take money from other players and/or team bank.
     
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    #12 SoullessAngel_, Jun 19, 2016
  13. 19Cameron91

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    Yeah, searching a full inventory of drugs from a player normally yields around 3.3k, for me at least.
    2 per drug. 200 per illegal weapon. Sheriffs don't make a lot of money.
     
    #13 19Cameron91, Jun 19, 2016
  14. iMingo

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    sheriffs get free gear, free, everything, hard to make money? u guys don't lose anything
     
    #14 iMingo, Jun 20, 2016
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    You don't hav to pay for your gear, and while the only thing you can really buy as a sheriff is a house + pots etc. Then just make the amount of money you get for finding drugs/illegal guns greater - problem solved. The problem currently is it is far too hard for normal players to make money due to the sheer power of sheriffs. I went rouge yesterday, and got 5v1ed by sheriffs. I was leather, yet got 5v1ed - what chance do I stand - Its ridiculous.
    Never seen a sheriff get 1 shot. Probably the 1 shot glitch. I have modeled leathers in the head at a 1 block range - it never 1 shots, so I don't see how it can 1 shot an iron sheriff.

    You know from 2 days ago that you 1 shot me while I was riding a horse using the coach gun - more over, you were 9 blocks away. While the model shoots faster, it takes about 3 shots to kill a sheriff, even at close range. Never seen T-gew 1 shot a sheriff. May be wrong.

    EDIT: Meant @randomcitizen1 in the last quote, not iMacro
     
    #15 Eil, Jun 20, 2016
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  16. iMacro

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    I used the repeater.
     
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  17. Eil

    Eil Ex-Raid // Perm. Ban Manager
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    Forgive me, it was @randomcitizen1 who I was talking about - My bad
     
    #17 Eil, Jun 20, 2016
  18. 19Cameron91

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    Except extra food, potions, and whatever else we don't spawn with.
    If we were to lose our guns and armor we currently spawn with, the money we get from drugs and illegal guns off you guys should be drastically raised.
     
    #18 19Cameron91, Jun 20, 2016
  19. SoCool21

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    This is true, right now we really don't need money. Yeah, we don't get food and supplies, but honestly I rarely have this as much of an issue. However, some of the suggestions say we would have to pay to get guns good enough to take out big teams, so we'd have to make more money so we can afford to buy these whenever we die.
     
    #19 SoCool21, Jun 20, 2016
  20. iMingo

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    most sheriffs = noobs, we can easily kill one or two of them, but if they keep coming back endless, it gets harder everytime, if staffs make them lose something or they have to pay for their gear, they would have some brains
     
    #20 iMingo, Jun 20, 2016
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