Kits that should be kept/removed

MattM1PVP · Jun 15, 2016

Regarding this thread, in particular,

BlueGuyARed said: ↑

1: Remove most of the kits, while keeping a core set of 30 kits that are balanced together. Based off of community polling and feedback - re-add certain kits to the game [if you have previously bought one of the kits removed and it is added back in, you'll still have it].
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This thread will suggest around 30-40 kits that should be kept, and, if needed, improvements/changes to the kits that should be kept.

Achilles:
Keep

Acrobat:
Remove

Adventurer:
Keep, but remove the permanent slowness.

Airdrop:
Remove

Analyzer:
Remove

Anchor/Neo
Merge

Archer:
Keep, but needs a buff. Perhaps a power 1 punch 1 bow

Array:
Remove

Backpacker:
Remove

Backup:
Keep

Barbarian:
Remove

Beastmaster:
Keep

Berserker:
Remove

Blink:
Keep

Boxer:
Keep

Burrower:
Keep

Camel/Hermit
Merge

Cannibal
Keep

Chameleon
Keep

Checkpoint
Remove

Chemist
Remove

CookieMonster
Keep

Copycat
Remove

Crafter
Remove

Cuddler/Lifeline
Merge

Cultivator
Keep

Decoy
Keep

Demoman
Keep

Digger
Keep

Doctor
Remove

Dwarf
Remove

Endermage
Keep

Explorer
Remove

Fireman/Magma/Pyro
Merge

Fisherman
Keep

Flash
Keep

Forger/Philosopher
Merge

Frosty/Frozen
Merge. The person playing this kit will start off with 32 snowballs, and will not spawn snow under his feet, like the frozen kit.

Gambler
Remove (this may be salvageable, but I can't think of a way right now)

Ghost
Remove

Gladiator
Remove. Why? This kit removes the challenge of taking out teams. In HG, you should try your best to use your terrain to take out a team. (I'm going to get a lot of hate for this)

Glider
Remove

Grandpa
Remove

Grappler/Kangaroo
Keep, but these kits need a rework due to the limited uses.

Gravedigger
Remove

Grenadier
Remove

Hades/Necro
Merge

Hermit/Souper
Merge, and change the number of hearts a souper gets from eating a soup to 4 hearts, instead of 4.5

Hulk
Keep

Hunter
Remove

Jackhammer
Keep

Jellyfish
Remove

Jumper
Keep, but it needs a huge buff. A buff I suggested is here

Kaya
Remove

Launcher
Keep

Levitator
Keep

Lumberjack
Keep

Madman
Keep

Milkman
Remove

Miner/Toolmaster
Merge

Monk
Keep

Nightlock
Remove

Ninja
Keep

Phantom
Keep

Philosopher
Keep

Pickpocket
Keep

Plague
Remove, but it can be salvaged with a complete rework

Portal
Remove

Poseidon
Keep

Reaper
Keep

Redstoner
Remove

Rhino
Remove

Rider
Keep, but it needs a buff

Rogue
Keep

Salvager
Remove

Santa
Remove

Scorch
Keep

Scout
Remove

Seeker
Remove

Shapeshifter
Keep

Snail
Keep

Soulstealer
Remove or give it a huge buff

Specialist
Keep

Spectre
Remove

Spellmaster
Keep

Spiderman
Remove

Spirit
Keep

Spy
Remove

Stomper
Keep

Summoner
Remove

Suppressor
Remove

Surprise
Keep

Switcher
Keep

Tank
Keep

Tarzan
Remove

Thermo
Remove

Thor
Keep

Timelord
Keep

Titan
Keep

Trapper
Remove

Turtle
Keep

Urgal
Keep

Vampire
Remove

Viking
Keep

Viper
Keep

Vulture
Remove

Warder
Remove

Werewolf
Remove

Wisp
Remove

Woolymorph
Remove

Worm
Remove

If I counted correctly, the remaining kits will be 61. This is still too much, but I can't think of removing any of them. If you can think of a way to merge, please list it below. Use CTRL + F to find your favourite kit

xGhale · Jun 15, 2016

Good suggestions!

jarboyp · Jun 16, 2016

Redstoner should be kept because it would be easy for new players to use. Everyone knows about Redstone, and a lot of people know how to make simple traps as well. The only reason why you don't see anyone using Redstoner is because no new player wants to pay $2.50 for a kit they don't even know about. I could see this being used as a permanent free kit though.

MattM1PVP · Jun 17, 2016

jarboyp said: ↑

Redstoner should be kept because it would be easy for new players to use. Everyone knows about Redstone, and a lot of people know how to make simple traps as well. The only reason why you don't see anyone using Redstoner is because no new player wants to pay $2.50 for a kit they don't even know about. I could see this being used as a permanent free kit though.
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After the EULA all kits will be free/able to be earned. I understand where you're coming from, but redstone traps are ineffective. Let's say you have lava underneath, its possible to tank it out, and dig out. Or a fall trap, it will take forever to dig down 30 blocks. And that can be countered through MLG water

Stormneo · Jun 18, 2016

Good suggestions. I still think gladiator should be kept because it's nearly impossible to tank out some teams (ex. Viper and snail, urgal and anchor). Gladiator definitely helps counter teams that are annoyin af and actually gives a chance to solo players. I also think that viking should be removed cause you basically get an iron sword 2 mins in, and you can get a diamond sword only a couple mins later. Getting diamond gear should be a challenge (winning the mini-feasts and feast), not easily obtainable a few mins into the game.

xGhale · Jun 18, 2016

Stormneo said: ↑

Good suggestions. I still think gladiator should be kept because it's nearly impossible to tank out some teams (ex. Viper and snail, urgal and anchor). Gladiator definitely helps counter teams that are annoyin af and actually gives a chance to solo players. I also think that viking should be removed cause you basically get an iron sword 2 mins in, and you can get a diamond sword only a couple mins later. Getting diamond gear should be a challenge (winning the mini-feasts and feast), not easily obtainable a few mins into the game.
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#1 Reason why Viking is ridiculous.
If Gladiator gets removed then I promise I will force @Mattyz_ to eat 200-year old, mouldy bacon.

MattM1PVP · Jun 18, 2016

Stormneo said: ↑

Good suggestions. I still think gladiator should be kept because it's nearly impossible to tank out some teams (ex. Viper and snail, urgal and anchor). Gladiator definitely helps counter teams that are annoyin af and actually gives a chance to solo players. I also think that viking should be removed cause you basically get an iron sword 2 mins in, and you can get a diamond sword only a couple mins later. Getting diamond gear should be a challenge (winning the mini-feasts and feast), not easily obtainable a few mins into the game.
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But the downside to that is Vikings are easily comboed. Trust me, I combo Vikings easily

Ayyyylienslmao · Jun 23, 2016

Mattyz_ said: ↑

But the downside to that is Vikings are easily comboed. Trust me, I combo Vikings easily
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Isn't that just a matter of your skill versus theirs? I mean unless you're suggesting that the axe somehow inhibits the player's ability to point and click, you'd combo that same player if they were playing Achiles, Archer, big boi, DuckDPvP, fatkid, COD Infinite Warfare, or any other kit you can think of.

Only exception is Anchor, but screw that kit.

You could make an argument that players that are less experienced in the art of comboing will be more likely to pick Viking, but...good luck proving that.

MattM1PVP · Jun 23, 2016

Ayyyylienslmao said: ↑

Isn't that just a matter of your skill versus theirs? I mean unless you're suggesting that the axe somehow inhibits the player's ability to point and click, you'd combo that same player if they were playing Achiles, Archer, big boi, DuckDPvP, fatkid, COD Infinite Warfare, or any other kit you can think of.

Only exception is Anchor, but screw that kit.

You could make an argument that players that are less experienced in the art of comboing will be more likely to pick Viking, but...good luck proving that.
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Not really my skill vs theirs. I can't combo that well, and I comboed a pretty decent player (I forgot his name), but I remember I fought him in another game and it was an even fight

xGhale · Jun 23, 2016

Ayyyylienslmao said: ↑

Isn't that just a matter of your skill versus theirs? I mean unless you're suggesting that the axe somehow inhibits the player's ability to point and click, you'd combo that same player if they were playing Achiles, Archer, big boi, DuckDPvP, fatkid, COD Infinite Warfare, or any other kit you can think of.

Only exception is Anchor, but screw that kit.

You could make an argument that players that are less experienced in the art of comboing will be more likely to pick Viking, but...good luck proving that.
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Block-hitting is detrimental to you if you don't hit the hit as you reset your sprint, which means you're slower, which can get you killed.

Ayyyylienslmao · Jun 23, 2016

Mattyz_ said: ↑

Not really my skill vs theirs. I can't combo that well, and I comboed a pretty decent player (I forgot his name), but I remember I fought him in another game and it was an even fight
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I guess that's luck? Even if you're better than a player, you're not guaranteed to be able to crombo them when you want. Sometimes it swings your way, other times it doesn't.

I'm still not sure how picking the kit Viking changes anything at all in terms of PvP, other than the fact that you basically get an iron sword right from the beginning.

Uraniumyyy said: ↑

Block-hitting is detrimental to you if you don't hit the hit as you reset your sprint, which means you're slower, which can get you killed.
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Yes, that's true, but I didn't mention anything about block hitting.

xGhale · Jun 24, 2016

Ayyyylienslmao said: ↑

I guess that's luck? Even if you're better than a player, you're not guaranteed to be able to crombo them when you want. Sometimes it swings your way, other times it doesn't.

I'm still not sure how picking the kit Viking changes anything at all in terms of PvP, other than the fact that you basically get an iron sword right from the beginning.

Yes, that's true, but I didn't mention anything about block hitting.
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Which is why Vikings may or may not have an advantage over you.

Ayyyylienslmao · Jun 24, 2016

Uraniumyyy said: ↑

Which is why Vikings may or may not have an advantage over you.
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Oh, I thought you were supporting Mattyz's claim that Vikings are easily comboed. Sorry!

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