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Sheriff Discussion (No flame allowed!)

Discussion in 'Wild West' started by aGuyInAsuite, Jul 1, 2016.

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  1. aGuyInAsuite

    aGuyInAsuite Build Mod

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    Howdy,

    There has been many, many, many, many, threads about sheriffs. But here I want to actually get work done. I want to lay something down before we start: Don't be biased. Before you even start to make decisions on a point, think of the other side. Don't just say things that will make it easier for you. Think of a bandit, a noob, a sheriff, and a pro. Anyways, let's start. (I swear to god, if you flame I will never like or rate any of your posts. I will completely ignore your posts as a whole)

    The main discussion is sheriffs. The point that many people make is that they are too OP and need to be nerfed, but some people think that they should not even exist. My opinion (It's an opinion, don't get too upset okay?) is that they need a minor nerf. Here is my reasons.

    1. Sheriffs can be one shot: Sheriffs can be one-shot. And, not by a glitch either. Sheriffs do not have the right to instantly kill you, so if you have the right gear (And I'm not talking full diamond ect,) then you can easily kill sheriffs. Not only that, but if you play your cards right the sheriff can not even shoot at you. It is a horrible experience as a sheriff. Also keep in mind that sheriffs rarely ever go in pairs to a processor together (Unless you attack one). If there is more than 1 is probably because the rotations got mixed up.You can have teams of the best players (With*) the people who have the most money.
    2. Sheriffs do not have TP permission: Yes, believe it or not we can not TP. You can however.
    3. Sheriffs take time to get you: If a sheriff kills you and you have team members, then you can easily gear. I hear a lot that sheriffs have free gear so it's unfair. If you're smart, you will keep a set of gear and armor in a horse. Within seconds, you can call your horse and then get gear. You can then TP. We can't. It takes us 40 seconds to get our horse in Frisco (30 seconds at least in Harshaw, and 70 seconds at most in Armarillo). After that we still have a long time to ride and kill you.
    4. Sheriffs have worse gear than you: Sheriffs have bad armor, it's a fact. It's iron and prot 1 iron is just as much as diamond (So it's not free, it it?) Not to mention that we don't make a lot of money.
    5. Sheriffs don't make a lot of money: It's true, and it's kind of hard when every time you die you need to buy 50 bread and 5 splints, and 10 bandages, and 5 medicine.
    That is why I believe that sheriffs only need a minor nerf. I'm going to adress some counter-arguments of why sheriffs are OP. Again it is my opinion, and this is an open discussion so feel free to comment. Be respectful and don't be an idiot.

    Sheriffs get free gear: We do, but here is where you need to look on both sides. Imagine a sheriff that makes 10k a day walks up to a guy in indian. The guy in indian attacks with a volcanic, but you can't afford a volcanic because you need Kevlar or Indian. So you die, Ez sheriff. Imagine how horrible it would be to try to stop CROW when you make 17k a day. Imagine going to every single processor, and dealing with every single rogue and bandit in the entire server with no armor. It's not fun.

    You need to think past the frustration of a sheriff coming back, and think that If we didn't get free gear how hard it would be to arrest people to make money, then to buy indian armor to just get killed.

    If you don't get it, if a sheriff doesn't get free gear we don't have a job. Simply because a normal bandit in full indian could kill us. Simple, right?

    Sheriff weapons are OP: Sheriff weapons are OP, and need to be nerfed very small. Why? Because a 3v1 with everyone a mauser and a one shot Gewher is not easy when it takes 5 hits to kill someone. (Yes, with diamond it takes 5 hits by a repeater). The Coach gun is actually a little OP.

    Sheriff keep coming back: With the new rule being implemented #Soon that it is a 2 minute timer is not a very valid point. People for some reason sit exactly where they killed the sheriff, which is kind of stupid because you are waiting for us to get you. You for some reason forget to reason that we have 5 minutes to kill you, so running away is fine. And no one can camp at a processor so why are you staying at the incident like a sitting duck?

    Sheriffs abuse: No, just stop please. They don't. The ones that do are demoted. The ones that are inactive are demoted. No one has abuse proof, and no one abuses. End of argument.

    Remember, this is an open discussion meaning I am open to changing my opinion. I will not however even look at a flame post, a poorly written post or even some one word disrespect post. Please put a valid argument and I'll consider it.

    (Also note that when I wrote this it was after a 3 hour train ride and I'm a bit sick :stuck_out_tongue:)
     
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  2. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    Sheriffs can tpa if they have a rank, same for players.
     
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  3. aGuyInAsuite

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    My mistake, I thought they gave everyone TPA after the Eula
     
  4. AnimeLoverVerlyn

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    You were mistaken, all previous rank owners are still able to tp, as well as all players holding staff ranks.

    Anyhow, back to the topic. I agree with @aGuyInAsuite , as I believe that sheriffs are perfectly fine the way they are. However, you must play the enviroment to your advantage. Do this, and bring an illegal weapon, and you should have no problem dealing with pesky sheriffs. Perhaps I should make a guide on this...
     
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  5. Trogy

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    The best way I can think to "nerf" sheriffs to keep them fair, but also keep it so that they actively play and enjoy the game is to make it so the sheriffs do indeed have to pay for some of their gear.

    Because let's be honest the gear sheriffs start with is very powerful, and I am not saying it is stronger than what bandits can buy, but I am saying that for free gear it is too much.

    To balance this, I think sheriffs should earn more money for doing their work. As of now sheriffs earn 2g per drug and 200g per illegal weapon they find in a bandits inventory. That is not even enough for a very active sheriff to own a cheap house. Boosting the amount of money a sheriff makes would reward sheriffs for being active doing their duty.

    BALANCING

    -Sheriffs should make 6g per drug they find in a players inventory, and they should make 1,000g per illegal weapon in a players inventory

    -Sheriffs should spawn with chain armor, a nerf from the current iron armor they get

    -Sheriffs should have 2 tiers of guns, the first tier being what they spawn with less powerful versions of the current guns sheriffs spawn with, and the second tier, Repeater and Coachgun available for a sheriff to purchase in a sheriff station. Repeater: 8k Coachgun: 6.5k

    -Sheriffs should also be able to purchase buffed chain armor, with protection III
    Helmet: 4k
    Chest: 10k
    Leggings: 8.5k
    Boots: 3k
    (These prices roughly equal what the cost of diamond armor for bandits.)

    I feel these changes would be appreciated by both sides, sheriff and bandit, but let me know what you think.
     
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  6. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    Chain armour? Really? Don't you know how easy it is to kill a sheriff? This whole sheriff discussion doesn't make sense as you can just buy a model, camp in a tower and 2 shot the sheriff when he peaks. Sheriffs are not "OP". And if you expect the sheriffs to get their own gear when they die everytime ( which happens a lot ), it will make it a lot less fun for every sheriff.
     
  7. Trogy

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    Chain armor is not much weaker than iron armor, and let me remind you that sheriffs can 2-shot a full diamond with their shotgun. This is all coming from someone who wants to be a sheriff, so please do not feel I am biased on way or the other.
     
  8. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    We can 2 shot a full diamond with a shot gun in open field. This is because the shotgun has such a low spread. I'd suggest to higher the spread and lower the damage, not nerf the armour. If our armour was chain, we'll be easily one-shot with any illegal gun.
     
  9. PatrykSzczescie

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    Chain armor looks like prisoner's suit, you know?
     
  10. Trogy

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    Chain armor is basically equivalent to gold (indian) armor, just with more durability.
    Yes, all you need to do is simply switch the prison armor and sheriff armor in a texture pack and in in-game code.

    Chain armor is just gold (indian) armor, with more durability. And I can only recall one instance where I have one shot someone in full gold, and I assume it was due to one-shot glitch. Just my opinion though on the armor change
     
  11. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    Armour isn't the issue...
     
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  12. AnimeLoverVerlyn

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    I like the idea of giving sheriffs the money, but I dislike the change in their weaponry/gear. If anything, sheriff armor should be buffed.
     
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  13. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    This man speaks out of experience xD
     
  14. 19Cameron91

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    We'd have to get pretty close to you to do that. Besides, I've never been at point blank range of a diamond clad player, and I'm pretty sure most other sheriffs haven't either.
     
  15. iMingo

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    Pay sheriffs to leave you alone? Good idea!
     
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  16. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    You know if that was a working system it could work xD
     
  17. Miraculate

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    My solution would be to nerf the sheriff weapons slightly and either give them a two minute respawn timer on their gear or a two minute timer before they can go back to the scene of there death.
     
  18. aGuyInAsuite

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    I actually like the idea of only spawning with the normal gear (As you spawn with a bandit)'and cuffs, ticket,many inspector. After 2 minutes, fUll gear would appear. This would make it so they can still do their job but can't to anything major.
     
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  19. AnimeLoverVerlyn

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    People would spam Frisco Sheriff HQ, as it is not in a safezone. I do it all the time.
     
  20. 19Cameron91

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    It's a PVP zone because Frisco was a premium town. Some sheriffs back then were not premium players.
     
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