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War Update - Community Discussion

Discussion in 'Discussion' started by Lord_Roke, Jun 27, 2016.

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Please vote on the 5 questions below. Only use one vote for each of the 5 questions.

Poll closed Jul 11, 2016.
  1. Yes, Dustbowl2 TDM/CTF and Dustbowl3 TDM should be re-added.

    89.3%
  2. No, Dustbowl2 TDM/CTF and Dustbowl3 TDM should not be re-added.

    5.4%
  3. Yes, urban_infect should be removed.

    55.4%
  4. No, urban_infect should not be removed.

    26.8%
  5. Yes, octane_infect should be removed.

    62.5%
  6. No, octane_infect should not be removed.

    19.6%
  7. Yes, scavenger should give less ammo.

    17.9%
  8. No, scavenger should not give less ammo.

    76.8%
  9. Yes, the minigun should be changed.

    42.9%
  10. No, the minigun should not be changed.

    53.6%
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  1. Hitchens

    Hitchens Well-Known Member

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    I am not saying that only people who over-use ray and mini are voting. As stated above, the problem with these polls is that they represent a very small group of people (mostly high level players/donors (donors are more likely to be active on the forums)). So those who vote has different opinions compared to those who do not.


    #1. Let these polls have just little impact, and try to figure out how the game could be done more beginner firendly. - Choose this if you want new members to enter the community.
    #2. Do everything these polls says, do not nerf Scav for example. - Choose this if you want the current community to like you.

    #3. The best option: do something in between. If it's true that scav got nerfed, GJ ROKE! (have not played since @Vincz told me it's true.)



    This issue have been discussed in @PorkChops30's thread Segreation.
     
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  2. Lord_Roke

    Lord_Roke Forever the Forums Watchdog
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    It is not true, scavenger was not changed. The issue is that we can only guess what beginners will like while we can see the opinion of the current community in these polls.
     
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  3. Hitchens

    Hitchens Well-Known Member

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    Thats true.
     
  4. DyvingPenguins

    DyvingPenguins Professional ',:V'er

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    I'd love to see the Dustbowl maps again!

    I like the idea about Scavenger and minigun, they are both a bit too op.
     
  5. sjuka_legogubbar

    sjuka_legogubbar ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    We should have a in game poll, by adding like one of those in game Brawl ads that comes once in a while. That will do it i guess :stuck_out_tongue: To get pretty much whole community opinion, or atleast the bigger part.
     
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  6. PorkChops30

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    Yes, but there is a solution of changing how it works. It could become a rapidly firing sniper like gun similar to draguv and msr except it penetrates people. It would still be 1-hit in infect but now it would be a bit harder to aim( still a lot easier than aiming with a iso which you have to quick scope)
     
  7. Pat_The_Trick

    Pat_The_Trick Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so I agree with most of this, but this is in a bit more detail.

    Voting decisions

    Scav: Nerfing this would make using it with automatics or the AA12 or similar awkward. Mini would also be useless with Scav too, despite the fact that it does make you last a little longer. However, maybe the secondary could be reduced to 10 as well?

    Remove Octane_inf:
    100% agree, this map is extremely in the favour of survivors.

    Keep Urban_inf:
    too be honest now that the OOMs fixed this map is pretty even, I say keep because it is a good map and infect is quite fun on this.

    Decrease Minigun damage:
    I say decrease, however maybe the starting ammo could be increased to like 250 rounds? (The extra rounds won't be necessary if Scav stays the same.)

    Add dustbowls gamemodes: I agree with adding them back because they'd be pretty cool for TDM and CTF.

    Gun Changes

    AA12: Completely agree, but maybe range 15, not 20? AA12 will be a bit OP for its level otherwise.

    Executioner:
    I know it isn't used much and this is mainly to get it out there, but accuracy doesn't really need increasing, clip size is a good change, maybe range stays the same, executioner is beast at close-quarters anyway.

    M1014:
    Bang on perfect, helps for low levels using that gun and getting past it in gungame because it sucks right now, overall this change tickles me everywhere. :stuck_out_tongue::grinning::wink:
    So overall I agree, and can't wait for War 2.0 to come out with these changes!
    (Even though this came up ages ago, gonna say it anyway.)
    #Soon
     
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  8. Koal_

    Koal_ Well-Known Member

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    Sooo why won't the flamethrower be buffed? I just want to see it competing against other guns with high fire rates like the minigun (nerfed version)
     
  9. Piky

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    I mentioned this in earlier in the post however it got no answer.
    I still don't understand why they will not buff the weapon, it's heavily underused, its ammo consumption takes too much just to kill an enemy, you rely heavily on your pistol to kill them as the fire will only tickle them. It barely kills them. Yes it's a DoT (damage over time) but seriously. It's been dead for a long time and using it will only give the enemies enough heat to softly roast a hot-dog over their armor. Why is most of the other guns in the game being given the treatment of fixes yet this weapon still remains unfixed for a long time? It's just being ignored at this point. All it needs is higher damage so that your bullets you use don't go to waste.
     
  10. Koal_

    Koal_ Well-Known Member

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    Haha, sorry I missed your post about it. But please why won't it be buffed?
     
  11. Lekosa1

    Lekosa1 mineman

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    Community discussions on forums will always have the same common problem. What is it? Well, the forums have such a minor percentage of the whole community.
    It's hard to make any community favoring changes when most of the community is not participating in the making of them. I'm not saying community discussion threads are bad, they just don't get the best results.

    I liked @sjuka_legogubbar's idea of having a in-game poll. It would have some issues too, but it'd still give a more in-depth response of the situation.
     
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  12. Lord_Roke

    Lord_Roke Forever the Forums Watchdog
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    That is true, but providing discussion, background information and multiple choices in Minecraft chat would be quite tough. Instead, to get a better idea what the community wants, you can spread the link in-game and try to get as many player as possible to vote on it.
     
  13. Hitchens

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    The problem with in-game polls is that those who quit after 1/2 won't care/know enough about the game. The wont care problem would be even worse using links.

    Edit: we have to keep in mind that the community and those who could be a part of the community are different things. So which groups interest do you guys in the staff team care more about. It would be interesting to know + helpful to know while discussing these issues.
     
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  14. YeezyLaces

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    Honestly would improve 99% of new players kdr
     
  15. Lord_Roke

    Lord_Roke Forever the Forums Watchdog
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    The flamethrower's current damage is 8, making it similar the Famas. The bullet delay time of the flamethrower is 3 ticks or 0.15 seconds, making its fire rate twice as high as the fire rate of the Famas.
    The issue are not the gun stats, but the fire effect: Due to 1.8 there is a bug that you can't take damage from a bullet if you are taking damage because you are burning. This means only the first bullet will damage the enemy.
    We can not fix this damage bug because it would require coding, sorry.
     
  16. Piky

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    Welp, that explains that. But if the bullet had incredibly high damage? If the first bullet only counts as damage, wouldn't the fire do the rest per say and make the gun slightly useful? The raw damage from the bullet would chunk the enemy and the fire would do the rest. Seems like every update (Mojang updates) break War even more..
     
  17. Lord_Roke

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