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Screenshare Protocol #MakeWarZNotDeadAgain

Discussion in 'MC-WarZ' started by dalt0n, Jul 29, 2016.

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  1. Ritzy

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    Way it works: If a mod is 99% sure that someone is using Xray or something they don't have enough evidence for yet they can request to screenshare the culprit. If they refuse to the screenshare they are banned from the server for refusing to ScreenShare, if they decide to screenshare the MOD then the screenshare goes through and the player will either come out with a ban or be ok. The Screensharing is barely forcefully done as it isn't like we are taking them to court over not Screensharing us we are banning them from the server as they aren't obiding our rules that were put in place.
     
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  2. Doges

    Doges Ex-Mod, Ex-Builder

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    I disagree with a screensharing protocol. It's pretty invasive to me (mods snooping around your personal files isn't something I would want), and it actually is fairly easy to bypass. Also, it shouldn't be brawl's business if someone has hacks installed for other reasons, such as singleplayer or other servers. With screensharing, you would be banned for simply having cheats installed.

    Regardless, the idea was already disapproved by higher- ups, which I agree with.

    Yeah, obviously, since the community consists of well known players who mostly trust and know staff. Of course they probably wouldn't mind something like this. However, those who aren't familiar with staff shouldn't be forced to stop playing and have some random guy snoop around their files.
     
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  3. Rriordan

    Rriordan Best Bud of a Mc-WarZ Retired Legend.

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    And this is why brawl is going down the hole. You're letting one guy decide the fate of brawls hackers?

    You all act like the mods are going to go through ever single file on their computer. They are installed in your minecraft folder... Step one %appdata@. Step two double click .minecraft Step three go through all MINECRAFT not personal folders. Like once again it isn't rocket science or an invasion of privacy.
     
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  4. Doges

    Doges Ex-Mod, Ex-Builder

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    I still see it as snooping and invasive. You're being forced to showcase your folders, and the moderator also sees your screen, taskbar, possibly real name if it's listed somewhere. Also, if you play with mods/hacks on other servers/singleplayer, you have to explain that as well. Personally, if someone would ask me to screenshare I would probably just deny the request and quit said server, instead of putting up with it.

    Yeah, he's also the head admin and the guy who's paid job it is to decide that said fate.
     
  5. dalt0n

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    You do realize you don't have to screenshare,correct? Deny it and take the ban? Its a minecraft server if you care enough about the server then you will screenshare and prove your innocence, or admit to cheating and maybe take a month ban?

    Quit making excuses This is pathetic. You need to see THIS IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.
     
  6. Paul

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    It's his job to make those executive decisions, not mine.
     
  7. Rriordan

    Rriordan Best Bud of a Mc-WarZ Retired Legend.

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    I know it isn't your job. But he is letting feelings about someones documents get in the way of making the SERVER that people are wanting to become better get worse. Like Dalton said, you don't have to screen share, you can deny it and take the ban. People won't like the idea cause 3/4 of the WarZ community are hackers like others have said and they won't be able to hack anymore. But so many people are wanting to make WarZ better. Like all of the ideas so far have been because of the EULA, then you get one that has nothing to do with EULA and you deny it cause of privacy. If you don't want people to see your desktop then be in the folder already and have it full screen.
     
  8. Ritzy

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    It isn't invasive at all tbh. Invasive and forcing them to do it would be like taking them to court. If they don't do it it's a ban from our server as they aren't following rules (failing to screenshare would be breaking rules). Also being invasive isn't at all true. All you check is their current client and their %appdata% nothing more.
     
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  9. Doges

    Doges Ex-Mod, Ex-Builder

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    Yeah, but what about if you donated or invested any worthwhile time into this server? You're forced to to so if you want to continue playing, which is completely wrong in my eyes.
     
  10. featherpaw

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    Screensharing is an invasion of privacy. That's probably why putty is so against it. However, should we give the option for people to share and cleanse themselves of a ban, I don't see why we couldnt. However, as of right now it is absolutely against the rules.
     
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  11. TheMafias

    TheMafias Something wise

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    Putty said no, No reason to argue with the chicken overlord :grinning:


    Honestly do I like it? No, I would rather take a ban than prove innocence. It's called a Personal computer for a reason, and for the players that don't think it is invasive. Me seeing your PC is 100% invasive, No matter what I see.
     
  12. dalt0n

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    As said before, if you want to play the server than you'd screenshare you shouldnt even be hacking in the first place.

    I feel as if this was irrelevant as we all notice that brawl is dying because this rule hasn't been implemented.

    @chickenputty opinion?
     
  13. Rriordan

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    So putty would rather let his server be taken over by hackers then to see it at it's full potential. What a dumbass. Honeslty, this is why so many people quit. He needs to quit being a ***** and take charge and do what is right for his server,
     
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  14. dalt0n

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    Do you want people hacking on brawl? do you want your job to be easier? Aren't you bored of getting 2 bans a day? Take a stand honestly its pathetic, Ritzy is the only one that seems to have a brain around here.
     
  15. TheMafias

    TheMafias Something wise

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    Honestly, look at the way y'all are acting. What makes y'all think you deserve anything? You show no respect and just through a fit when you get told no. What do you want me to do? Go to putty and say "A couple of WarZ players a throwing a fit about the screenshare protocol thing". If anything, message him yourself, he will reply, he always has. He is as open minded as anyone else. Raging about it and calling names isn't the way to do it.
     
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  16. Doges

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    Innocent people get screenshared as well, which is what I'm talking about. Screensharing is being assumed guilty and having to prove your innocence, instead of the other way around.

    Screensharing is not the way to cleanse the server of hackers. Instead, an automatic ban system such as the one hypixel is using should be the approach. Unfortuately, the developer of the current anticheat system went inactive before it could be applied globally or be a bit more fine tuned.
     
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  17. featherpaw

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    Mafias is right. Yelling about this and blaming him for caring about YOUR personal privacy is childish. This is still a business. It costs to maintain and run this and the server, in turn, gets money back through sales. It is unlawful to invade someone's personal files and space. It's not a matter of Morales or opinion. It is unlawful. What putty chooses to do js entirely up to him and no one is in a position to argue with him about something like this.
     
  18. dalt0n

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    You only get money if people enjoy the server, and as you can see since you werent here in brawls prime... Well as you may see brawl gets NO donations compared to what they used to get. You want more time as a jmod? Convince yourselfs and the other mods to implement something to change the game as brawl seems to have nothing to lose if they implement this.

    Never once did i call him a name, i finally discussed what the players on this server wont do as they're scared of putty. Honestly i don't think this is worth anytime as all the staff seem to be braindead.
     
  19. TheMafias

    TheMafias Something wise

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    Braindead? I'm sorry that you think we are scared of putty. I think it is a waste of his time to even look at these post. I respect putty for being able ignore these post for such a long time. Have any of you actually messaged him like I said? It is quite funny you think the staff is braindead when you are just arguing with people who can't make something you want happen when you can just message the man yourself. We are just telling you what he is going to say.
     
  20. Jager

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    As a staff member of M4 i must say that Force screensharing works. I've screenshared over 20 WarZ Players and atleast 80% of them had hacks or disallowed modifications.
    As we all know the 2 main problems with WarZ are that alot of people are Toxic and that alot of people hack.
    I know you guys can't really do much about the toxicity but by implementing this protocol the amount of hackers will drop. This also means that if this gets implemented that the WarZ Moderators need to become more dedicated and spend more time watching players in vanish since brawlbot can not detect Xray.

    Alot of people like @TheMafias might say that this is ''Invading of Privacy''
    But let's be honest, Is there any private information in your .minecraft? I don't think so.
     
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