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Restore PvP in mines

Discussion in 'Ideas' started by PatrykSzczescie, Aug 16, 2016.

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What do you think about PvP in mines?

  1. Restore it!

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  2. Never!

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  1. PatrykSzczescie

    PatrykSzczescie Active Member

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    We demand restoring PvP in mines, which was introduced 1 July 2016.

    Wild West is dying because slightly above half of people voted for safe from PvP mines in June. They were complaining spending hours filling their inventory with ores then they were getting killed due to bandits' greed which fed them in seconds. Mainly these were people who didn't spend much money, only used their stone pickaxes and never thought about storing items in horses, they were guilty their recklessness.

    Before it was introduced, players felt it's not worth mining and drugs were more convenient and gave more money. There were five different bases to choose, some places more dangerous, some less, they needed to fight for their place or hide where nobody would see them. Now, bases are usually empty. StarZes whine that they are alone per 10 bandits where above 9 of them are either AFK or mining. Sultanators, Verlyns and Risens don't play here because there's no PvP. Wild West was perfect before when players felt mining wasn't profitable so above half of server was focusing on drug fields and bases and ways how to earn money, sheriffs were to stop them and force them to mine. This feature has been removed.

    Developers introduced chopping trees when mines had already become safe. Players were complaining that there was no safe legal way to make money, robbing conductors was the only way safe from PvP, and it was illegal. Now they may chop trees, so there we go. But tree farms are empty, because mining is more profitable, and has much more spaces, when tree farms look too tight. Now they have safe way to make legal money, why mines are still safe? Let's make a balance between these both legal ways to earn money.

    Guys, it's Wild West, one of Brawl servers, it's a server based on PvP, like Survival was, like WarZ, it's to fight for yours. Safe mines remove PvP from this game, sheriffs and bandits are useless, not like in other servers, here you can earn completely without PvP. You can mine, mine, and lose nothing because you store ores in horses and go to town selling gems and back mining. What is this? Prison server? How can you call it Wild West?

    So here, friend, I need your support, let's all together convince developers to restore PvP in mines and bring Wild West back! Put a wise vote.
     
    #1 PatrykSzczescie, Aug 16, 2016
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  2. Pat_The_Trick

    Pat_The_Trick Well-Known Member

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    eZ agree man. I don't even remember them taking it out tbh xD but whoever said we should remove PvP from it, that's pretty stupid.
     
  3. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    It was fine that we experimented with this. Now, we learned it wasn't the best decision. Yes, restore PVP in mines.
     
  4. Lekosa1

    Lekosa1 mineman

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    It was originally my idea to remove PvP from mines.

    1. Because it was the only legal thing to do at the moment.
    2. Players just farmed noobs in mines.
    I don't know why you're saying WW is dying slightly. It still gets a lot of players, but if it dying, I'm sure mines being PvP protected is not the reason.

    You have some good points but I still strongly agree mines should not be PvP free. I was also behind the tree chopping idea what was supposed to help legal activites (that should be easier than illegal ones, because they make less profit).
     
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  5. Compability

    Compability Well-Known Member

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    Mining, was before just a hide camp for bandits to kill players coming there. Now it is used to what it is supposed to. Also, it is almost the only way for sheriffs to get money, and it is easy for a bandit to backstab and kill a sheriff from behind. Also, it is almost the only legal way to get money.
     
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  6. PatrykSzczescie

    PatrykSzczescie Active Member

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    Well, we had Indian camps as well and rogue hunting also is legal. If mines are dangerous, now they can chop trees.

    Go to another mine, chop trees, get gear, stop playing Wild West because you'll never become a cowboy... There are many ways to deal with it.

    Bandit backstabbing sheriff is what I didn't even dream. Sheriffs aren't easy to be killed and they used to deal with bandits attacking mines by arresting them. Sheriffs only mining aren't sheriffs. Moreover, they seem to like this idea because they also feel like it's too boring on this server with nobody to arrest.

    It seems that you didn't read anything.
     
  7. Compability

    Compability Well-Known Member

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    There is bandits almost in every mine :/.
     
  8. PatrykSzczescie

    PatrykSzczescie Active Member

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    Why do you read only a part? I told you, if mines are too dangerous, you'd go chopping trees.
     
  9. Scaler3000

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    I don't think you've ever chopped trees. It sucks. I was bored one time and acquired 17 stacks of wood, and I only got 6528 G. It took hours. Plus, if the only safe way to make an honest living was tree chopping, they would be so full of people that it would be nearly impossible to cut any logs. I think that if mines were opened to PVP, anyone who doesn't want to to illegally make money will be turned off from the server. It's just not fair to punish people who want to play by the rules.

    I think a good compromise would be to add a legal way of making money that has danger involved. Cattle driving is a perfect example of this. Say that you have to bring cows from one location to another, across PVP zones. People can still kill you, and you can still fight back, but it's legal.
     
  10. PatrykSzczescie

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    To see how many trees I chopped you can see here, I am one of these who chopped the most trees, more than you, and I always have something to chop because tree farms are empty of players.

    The aim of this game was to make players revolt against rules which are put by authorities and sheriffs are to suppress them. Now sheriffs have nothing to suppress, legal seems to be more profitable than illegal, but it should be opposite. Anyway people joining Wild West due to safe mining aren't noticed there. Restoring PvP in mines will be still more convenient than the version before making them PvP-safe because we have tree farms.


    Developers introduced tree chopping because they wanted players to find the legal way to earn money in PVP-safe zone. They did this, but mining is safe, so what were they for? They're serving as useless addition now. If you argue that they give too little money, you can ask to raise prices.

    Wild West is separated to non-PvP and PvP, like you were playing prison server where you mine, you craft items and in diamond armor you go to PvP and fight for yours. Wild West was supposed to be unique and it shouldn't look like miners and drug dealers don't know each others, make Wild West one server, not like it is now.
     
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  11. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Wild West is meant to be about surviving against other players while making money. We already have tree farms as a safe way to make money, I'd much rather see mining become more dangerous (but also more profitable).
     
  12. Scaler3000

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    Alright, I can see some of your points, (mainly because yesterday I mined out Cordero several times and was bored out of my mind) but I'm still not 100% behind the idea. If PvP was reimplemented back into mines, I'd want to see a few changes.

    Tree farming is tedious and yields so little profit. I agree that the price per log should be raised, maybe to 8 - 10G. Also, seeing that they will be the only legal way of making money, tree farms would have to be expanded drastically. Perhaps quadrupling their area would be sufficient. And, of course, axes. Axes need to be implemented, which would cut the time of harvesting.

    I also agree with SoCool21, the prices per ore would need to be slightly increased. This would make the risk more worth it.
     
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  13. AguaDeLaMiseria

    AguaDeLaMiseria Un-Known Pleasure

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    I agree, PvP on mines should be restored. But in that way, as a new player I wouldn't mine, so prices need to be changed and tree farms should be expanded.
    I think Gold must to be the most expensive ore (Gold rush) or at least, most common.
    As we know, Gold is fastly to mine than Diamond or Emerald, so that means increase the process time.
    Coal: 11 g
    Iron: 13 g
    Gold: 17 g
    Diamond: 19 g
    Emerald: 21 g

    Diamond and Emerald should be rare ores.

    Add a way to make tree farming fastly but another step to sell (like processing) and increase the price per log.
    And a way to get expensive logs in PvP zones would be interesting.
     
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  14. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    I'd like to see the ore value raised as well. Wood also.
     
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  15. Compability

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    that isn't as good
     
  16. enderdragon3615

    enderdragon3615 Well-Known Member

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    I think that with the addition of 9 sheriffs there is even more of a reason to have pvp in the mines. If you think about it many players new and old are complaining (with good reason) about the large number of sheriffs online at one time. The reason for the complaining? It is much more difficult to safely process drugs at rebel bases. Most of the time we have enough sheriff's on to check each rebel within 5-7 minutes. I agree this is not fair, but what else can sheriff's do but to constantly search rebel bases? Well with the amount of sheriff's online we now have enough manpower to protect the various mines, AND to patrol the bases at the same time. Not only does this give players who process drugs more of a chance to gain wealth, but it also adds more excitement to the boring process of mining!
    I really hope that this idea won't just get glanced over, or put on the backburner. I truly think pvp in the mines will be a great re addition to the game. This is also one of the few ideas that benefit both bandits and sheriff's at the same time!

    Thanks for reading! :smile:
     
    #16 enderdragon3615, Sep 19, 2016
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  17. PatrykSzczescie

    PatrykSzczescie Active Member

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    You were promoted because many old, known sheriffs resigned mainly because Mafias got demoted and they followed because they were fed up with harassment from bantits because their job is not profitable and drugs gave more because most of the server is hidden in mines and they're PvP-safe when in theory there are only few who process drugs, in practice there are only "kek" people in dia stuff who easily deal with sheriffs, so sheriffs rarely win battles in bases suppressing illegal activity.
     
  18. enderdragon3615

    enderdragon3615 Well-Known Member

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    Well you got some of what you said correct... But unless you haven't been on WW in a week than you would see that there are a large number of sheriffs online at almost any given time. Yeah we get beaten upmarket at Wildgrass often, but so what? And anyways weren't you the one who wanted pvp in the mines? And just to add on WE definitely control a lot of illegal activities at most of the bases, Wg is really the only one we are trouble with and even then we still have a surplus of sheriffs on duty at almost all times in the afternoon-evening.
     
    #18 enderdragon3615, Sep 20, 2016
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  19. PatrykSzczescie

    PatrykSzczescie Active Member

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    In Europe morning there's max 1 sheriff. And I'm not surprised that on the second side of globe there are so many sheriffs, since you're the new ones. Tell me this again in a month, then we'll see.
     
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