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Discussion in 'Ideas' started by Stormneo, Oct 10, 2016.

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  1. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    If I'm not wrong all HG servers are hosted on the same box, so cutting server numbers wouldn't really matter.
     
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    #21 MattM1PVP, Oct 15, 2016
  2. Lacota

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  3. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    The anticheat is actually very effective now. I haven't been autobanned in a while, and it does get to most hackers.
    I was only speaking about HG. I agree, an admin is placed in a strange position at the moment, and he/she may need to leave, but I think the other staff have got the situation under control.
    Look...if you don't play it, shut up about it? (just saying)

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    Please don't trigger me about HG. It ends...badly.
     
    #23 xGhale, Oct 16, 2016
  4. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    The changes aren't small ones like kit ones, I'm talking about a complete HG revamp.
     
    #24 MattM1PVP, Oct 16, 2016
  5. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    All the updates HG has had... ever, really, have been on a very small scale. They've been things like new kits, nerfing kits, rebalancing kits - in fact, most updates have been regarding kits. Once we get a developer for HG again, we can introduce some more large-scale updates to completely innovate the game to make it fresh for a returning regular, and unique for a new player who is playing for their first time. And most importantly, it will be a lot more noob-friendly, so the new players that we get will actually enjoy the game.

    I partially agree with you on the advertisement though. The only way Brawl could ever make HG popular again on a large-scale (as in, how it used to be) would be if we introduced the right updates, then got advertisement on the gamemode. We do have a 50k YouTube channel, and once HG is good enough again, that's when we can start using it to advertise. There's no point in advertising HG right now, as any new player that those advertisements may attract would simply leave, as they would not know how to play the game and would not enjoy it.

    Also, if HG is more noob-friendly, if a YouTuber does find our server (whether it be from server lists, other YouTubers .etc), then they're more likely to actually make a video on HG. If a YouTuber joins a gamemode, has to try 3 times to get a game which actually has players in, then gets completely wrecked by an experienced souper, then this YouTuber is unlikely to waste time recording on the server. If HG is more noob-friendly, and this YouTuber (who likely has experience in PvP, just not necessarily souping) is able to get some good games and nearly win, they're more likely to make videos on HG.

    Another thing which can be done is events. When HG has the updates, we can host events with prizes on Brawl. Although its not likely to attract people who have never heard of Brawl, it could attract people from other gamemodes to play, and if they enjoy it, they might stay and play it a bit more. Best example of this is Wild West - it had over 100 players at peak times one time, purely from players from WarZ, SPvP and CTF. If HG changes enough to attract other people from Brawl, then something similar could happen with this.

    But the vital part to all of this is that we get good updates. PewDiePie could upload a video of HG in 2 hours, and we'd get a whole bunch of traffic on HG for the next few days. All these players would leave, because the state HG is in right now simply is not good. It doesn't matter how much advertising we get, HG just is not ready to get a boom in players again. As soon as it is, then we can start advertising on the YouTube channel, and attempting to get some YouTubers to record on the server. But until then, its just not worth it.
     
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    #25 SoCool21, Oct 16, 2016
  6. Lacota

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  7. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    I'm confused. Should I feel bad for agreeing with this thread?

    please don't hurt me
     
    #27 EmperorTrump45, Oct 16, 2016
  8. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    So you want me to shoot rockets at every single argument of yours?
    Talk about starting a flame war...
    I never dithered around any point. I just gave my personal view. I can't see the staff members' messages can I?
    I've never seen you online, may be a timezone thing though.
    I don't like people beating on any gamemode, least of all my favorite gamemode.
     
    #28 xGhale, Oct 16, 2016
  9. Lacota

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  10. Hitchens

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    You do know what often means, don't you?

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    And please guys, dont start a flame war about who started the flame war. Thats like the most stupid thing you can do.
     
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    #30 Hitchens, Oct 16, 2016
  11. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Fine, I mean hefty argument.
    I never said you used profanity or became belligerent.
    I asked you to be quiet simply because I never see you ingame. And there's this: https://www.brawl.com/players/Lacota/
    1 kill, 1 death, and you say you play HG? Where?
    Now, before this explodes, let's just end it at this.
     
    #31 xGhale, Oct 16, 2016
  12. TheTitaniumTitan

    TheTitaniumTitan Ex WW JMod and Wiki Team member. Bring back WW!

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    Why? HG is fun!
     
    #32 TheTitaniumTitan, Oct 16, 2016
  13. Lacota

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  14. SoCool21

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    I feel like this paragraph contradicts. Right now, HG really isn't in a great state, since updates on McPvP focused on making money from it, since the network wasn't making profit. As a result, the gamemode wasn't able to keep up with the way the community is changing. The hardcore community has mostly moved on, and although there are still hardcore-style servers, they are often on 1.7 (which Brawl cannot support) and are not similar to HG. This is why all the new players didn't stick once summer is over - the gamemode didn't interest players enough. When we get new players next summer, or when Brawl begins to advertise again, HG will need to be more interesting to a new player, which can only be achieved from updates. These updates would be more than just removing or reworking kits, but things like mid-game events or custom biomes.
    Summer being over meant people had less time to play stuff like HG. What we need to do is make HG interesting enough for new players and returning players who played the game on McPvP, so that when summer is over, they try to find the time to play the server still. There's no doubt that summer will reduce player counts on all Brawl gamemodes, but making the game more interesting would at least mean HG would have a relatively decent amount of players after summer ends. It hasn't been possible to do this for a very long time, since Totom is busy with War 2.0, but once that is finally done and out of the way, HG can get updates to make the game more interesting, and it could be revived.
    If it were needed, this wouldn't be a bad idea. At least for until HG gets more players. I believe Brawl has started making a profit again, so this may not be too important. I suppose the more profit, the better.
     
    #34 SoCool21, Oct 17, 2016
  15. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    I had a 31 player game recently...and died to an MLG water bug :stuck_out_tongue:
     
    #35 xGhale, Oct 18, 2016
  16. Krymonota

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    Brawls Hardcore Games isn't dead, but it requires lots of attention like on MCPVP. It will be difficult to make Hardcore Games here popular again because lots of players have left the Soup / HG community, and there are also competitors such as SimpleHG, DojoHG and ClassicHG. Many HG players have a negative picture of Brawl and they associate Brawl with the "destruction" of Hardcore Games


    However, I just want to clarify some things from the perspective of an MCPVP / HG veteran and SimpleHG owner / lead developer..

    Summer holidays are over, all servers are experiencing some player count drops because the players either have to go to school or work. Our player count is still constant and at some times almost as good as 2-3 months ago.
    We have a good cheat detection, but I guess you haven't noticed it yet because it works passively. Almost every cheater is caught by our cheat detection, about 80-90% of those cheaters get automatically banned after playing a couple of minutes and our moderators ban dozens of cheaters every day. We don't really need a /report command because our cheat detection notifies all available moderators about cheaters, they don't even have to be on the server to get notified.
    Yes, we have currently a lack of moderators, but that's because we have very high quality standards and we're looking for dedicated, experienced and professional staff members. It's not that easy as you might think.

    Um, no. I don't think that you really have a plan what's going on on PvPDojo.
    PvPDojo is owned by schmockyyy, Joey1997 (and EcMiner). Abstract97 has already left PvPDojo a couple of weeks ago because of private reasons. Yes, Joey1997 has done some bad things in past, but he has changed. Nobody of the PvPDojo staff threatens schmockyyy. If schmockyyy ever feels threatened, then he is also able to kick the person out of the staff team.
    I don't know where you got your information from.. Just in case if you refer to BadBoyHalos videos: There are some false assertions in the videos, but BadBoyHalo is not in full blame for the fact that the informant has spread some false information about PvPDojo, their staff and SimpleHG.
     
    #36 Krymonota, Oct 18, 2016
  17. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    Can we not talk about simple/PVPdojo HG right now? They are good servers, and I understand that you want to defend your server, but this thread is specifically regarding Brawl HG. Thanks
     
    #37 MattM1PVP, Oct 18, 2016
  18. CherryBlossomss

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    I actually really enjoy playing HG, even though I'm absolute trash at it :stuck_out_tongue:. The problem for me is that there just arnt enough players for it to be fun.
     
    #38 CherryBlossomss, Oct 22, 2016
  19. Champloo

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    There are just too many other HG servers, most players will go to the bigger servers..
     
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    #39 Champloo, Oct 23, 2016
  20. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    For now yes, but I'm hoping that after Totom returns to code for HG, and with the rework implemented, Brawl will be popular again

    #positivevibes
     
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    #40 MattM1PVP, Oct 23, 2016
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