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Weekly Dicussions: Wild West

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  1. Piky

    Piky Well-Known Member

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    Imagine some pretty animation to go along with this.

    BE WARNED, if you cannot handle some simple harsh language (little to no profanity here), then you should get out. This contains some harsh inputs.

    Table of Contents
    State of Wild West and Mafia's Law
    Aggressive Talk
    Teams and Alts
    Saving Wild West/Remake

    In the current state of Wild West, there are main factions that have absurd amounts of controlling power and can dictate the flow of lesser players in the game.
    For a more advanced way of putting this. Think of a person, that person rose from the lowest ranking of starting out, to the top with a plan in mind. However this cannot be achieved alone. Due to mechanics, mind-sets of players, and knowledge of the game and having a group of people to help you out requirements. A group that takes orders from the Leader send out the regards of requests.

    Joker's Mafia Law for example and other threads that show some form of control over players.

    Lets aggressively talk about this whole Mafia Law for a minute. It's absolutely stupid & aggravating to even look at. In the thread 'Live or Die' and I quote;
    So based off on my understanding ignorance of this thread from most viewers stand point, if our precious little leader decides that his ego was hurt by the slightest insult he'll hunt you down and stop you from playing or having fun in the game. Well okay Mr. Special Snowflake leader we'll be nice to you to preserve your egotistical mindset.
    Now why is all this happening, why is this sort of 'Dictatorship' happening?
    When the prices of armor went somewhat high, only the wealthiest could obtain absurd amounts of sets of diamond armor and weapons, while minor over time it separated wealthy from unimaginable wealth and power. It's only a small portion of the problem however.

    Teams
    Large teams with power control most of Wild West, when there's multiple teams that want to control the economy battles ensue over domination and control.
    Alternate Accounts: Upon battling over control, 'Alts' for short, became the next level strategy. Simply log off in a base or around a base with that alt, log back on if something bad happened and go back to hunt down who killed you with more and more alts. If your alts die, money could be simply withdrawn from account to buy whatever you lost and continuously hunt down who killed you till they cannot play anymore.

    Saving Wild West!
    In the thread; https://www.brawl.com/threads/62612/page-2#post-790586 by @Eil 'To Save Wild West'
    He mentions great valid points that could potentially save the game.

    What have we learned? Being controlled and limiting of having fun is bad, mkaay.
    There are some ignorant parts I'm sure that I pulled out my arse in this thread but that's one discussion down! List any other discussions you want me to talk about.
    Yes, I know I didn't mention Sheriffs in any of this.

    Next one in a week is going to be: Is it worth it to get rid of WarZ?
     
  2. TwisterPvP

    TwisterPvP Raid Mod / Squirtle

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    What you don't seem to understand, "Piky", is that all of the threads that you've mentioned to do with Joker was to help new players. Teams like BOA and CROW used to and still do just kill new players on sight. This wasn't very kind. We thought we could make the new players experiences better by simply letting them live. People like you clearly want to be shot on site, so that is what it has resorted too. Death is more fun that living, apparently.

    We've mentioned alts lots. They do not need to be changed. Yes, I have 1 or 2 alts, but I rarely used them. But anybody that does use alts are doing nothing wrong. Mario has stated many a time that this rule won't be changed.
     
  3. Piky

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    Oh I clearly understand. It's what people's prospective's tell the situation. Now tell me, how does making the experience for new players help in your PROSPECTIVE?

    Helping new players? Now hold hells door up. How on Earth is the following from Joker's 'Mafia Law' helping them?
    Helping huh? Limiting the fun and dictating what players do is helping right? In your eyes it seems helping. But you could care less of a damn for the players' thoughts and opinions. They want to do what they want and have fun.

    Oh yes, I do like to get killed on sight, please use your wasted time and effort to prove a stupid Law is in order. Why does Joker's group always assume that if no one likes your pointless Law that you must be killed on sight. All of your ego's deluded the Wild West community to a boring state of not having any fun where the fun only comes to your group. Yes, death is more fun than living is correct for your own opinion and prospective. You people have barely any thoughts towards the community's opinions and are justified to pointless dictatorship over the lesser players.

    Alts need a change? Where did I say that?
    Guess I wasn't being clear enough for your huge egotistical mind to notice that PLAYERS have opinions too. A common known phrase, "frowned upon".
     
  4. AnimeLoverVerlyn

    AnimeLoverVerlyn Well-Known Member

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    Joker has an alt logged in every base. Whenever he logs onto one, he goes strolls into the processor room and kills everyone there. After looting, he returns to his spot and logs out. Pray tell, how is that "simply letting them live" and "Joker wanting to help new players"?

    Alts are going to be changed, but not removed. Currently, the staff team is discussing ways to make alting inefficient.
    *Rates Winner*
     
  5. TwisterPvP

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    Okay, first of all. You've clearly gotten out of the wrong side of the bed today. I've not been aggressive to you. I've shown you respect, and I expect that back.

    So, let me be clear. These laws have been disregarded as of late and are no longer used. So I don't understand what your actually point is on the matter. We tried to help new players. They didn't want to be helped. I hope that is simple enough for you to wrap your head around.


    Okay, so the laws are not now in use. The players didn't like them so we now resort to killing on sight. So we now don't "let them live" or "help new players" because the players didn't want to be helped.

    On the alts thing, I don't think they need to be changed in any way. Mario has explicitly said that they don't need changing. If the staff are going to undermine his judgement, then I think this is a mistake. Mario seems like a lovely guy, and Brawl is lucky to have him. I hope Brawl don't try and push him away.
     
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    I know you haven't been aggressive to me. I'm unbelievably mad and baffled. Shown respect? The bloody hell are you even saying? What kind of respect is wanting me dead?
    Why the hell should I show you my damn respect? Want me dead, show your egotistical mind to prove your power. Ok, gotcha will show respect and bow down to your group.
    How on Earth do you still not understand my point? My point is your group is RUINING the damn forsaken game!

    Baffled, completely baffled by your arrogance.
     
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    I can not see why you had to put the ego boosting part in. It honestly is discusting.

    I mean, who the heck did you plan to protect with this plan? Those newbies who just started playing? How tf could they even know about it? So what other function does this have than ego boosting?

    Seeing as you are dependant on alts, I do not really think your opinion is worth much of any attention.


    You do not deserve any respect
     
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    We are ruining the game by doing what? Killing people? Wild West would be very boring without PvP, don't you think?
     
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    Still haven't gotten the point haven't you.
    Let me make this simple and clear.

    Stop limiting the fun of other players. Your arrogance is beyond reasoning with at this point.
     
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    1. Ego boosting part? I'm lost already. Not a great start to the argument for you my friend.

    2. I've already stated twice in this thread, the laws are no longer active. There's no need to continue to be upset over them. Move on.

    3. I disagree with this point. I may not be as skilled as you (or how skilled you think you are), but the point is just unfair. I rarely use alts, like stated above. I think I've used an alt once when I die, I log him on and kill the killer. So this point is invalid from you here.

    4. How mature of you.


    Firstly, is "arrogance" your new favorite word? You seem to be throwing it around a lot.

    Secondly, we are not limiting players fun. If you think we're limiting players fun by this law, I've stated 3 times now. We do not use the law. If we are limiting players fun by killing them, then they need to try better teamwork tactics. Anybody can beat anybody at the end of the day.

    So, can you explain how we are "limiting the fun of others players" please.
     
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    Thank for you noticing that I use it alot to explain a point across to you! I use it alot because you're a prime example of it.

    Holy **** how dense are you. DO YOU STILL NOT UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF THE THREAD? You seem too damn dense to understand what you're doing is frowned upon the community.
    I'm getting so frustrated by how you don't seem to understand.
     
  12. TwisterPvP

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    Okay, this is the second time I'm going to ask you. Please give me a straight answer. You seem to be trying to dodge the question because maybe you don't know your own point?

    What are we doing that is so terribly "frown upon". I'm already mentioned 4 times that the laws are no longer in use, so it obviously can't be this that has you so triggered. So please. Give me a straight answer.

    How are we limiting the fun of other players?
     
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    You are giving limitations of players of what they can do. If they don't follow the exact rules, they're faced with consequences that they choose to ignore or don't want any part in it.
    Example, you don't want any other players BASED ON JOKER'S THREAD to wear diamond armor. That's limiting what they can do. Is it fun to be limited? No?

    You have power, you assume you can beat everyone, so you resort to power in controlling and limiting players so they can never assert dominance over you.
     
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    Okay, I've mentioned at least 4 times now, we no longer use the law, so your point is completely wrong. You've tried to make a point by grave-digging old dead threads.
     
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    Let's all be respectful and not start a flame war please.
     
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    The two people that you quoted have been very disrespectful, but you quote me for some reason? I'm trying to give adequate levels of respect to all parties involved. I do not wish to start a flame war. I'm terribly sorry if I gave out that impression.

    Piky on the other hand, rather sickening. I would expect better from a known member of the forums. There's really no need to get aggressive.
     
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    It's more of a heavy discussion. Not a flame war, a discussion. I don't think you understand what 'flame war' is..
    I'm honestly done with trying discuss with you, this is getting absolutely nowhere in my intent of seeing a possible outcome. "Very disrespectful"? This is a discussion thread, you commented fully knowing what will happen and the outcome came with it. These are meant for heated discussions that usually have rather harsh words and are not meant to be completely full of sunshine.
    Don't expect anything from people that don't always agree with your opinions and thoughts. I gave out my opinions and thoughts of a stupid law and you reacted normally.
    YOU wanted me to give you respect before, why should I even go forth to respect that when you want it?
    Hell, I'm old member, but not always am I nice.
     
  18. TwisterPvP

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    First off, please don't be disrespectful to Verlyn. He has done nothing wrong, but simply do his job.


    Secondly, again, you've not explained your point. Your only argument was the laws that haven't been used for at least a week.
     
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    Well there's no point in argumenting when you constantly lie.
     
  20. TwisterPvP

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    Okay, where have I lied? If you have no evidence for your preposterous claim, then unfortunately I am going to ignore it. If you can show me some evidence where I have lied, then I shall speak about it that. But until then, please don't go making silly claims.
     
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