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''Cuffer Wars''

Discussion in 'Wild West' started by deppresso, Dec 26, 2016.

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  1. Carcano

    Carcano Well-Known Member

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    Lol wonder why we don't fight bandits instead of sheriffs? I'll tell you why. You kids bully tobacco noobs and conductor robbers. Just today I saw a cuffer go after a rogue with a 20k bounty instead of me. That's honestly sad. Guess where that noob is now? Not playing brawl, one of you ruined his experience here. We farm cuffers to let the noobs process in peace without a cuffer cuffing them. If noobs can process successfully they might actually be able to get gear and fight us... Theres literally nobody else to fight besides cuffers. If you don't like getting farmed then log out. Nobody forces you to come, but you do so anyway. I mean if you had actual skill you would be winning some of these wars no? Some of you are so pathetic you wait out the tag to cuff...
     
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  2. CrossBoone

    CrossBoone enjoy life

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    Could we stop all this cuffing stuff d:
     
  3. ZeFazzy

    ZeFazzy Well-Known Member

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    Today's cuffer war wasn't that unfair.. There were 7 sheriffs online :V
     
  4. AnimeLoverVerlyn

    AnimeLoverVerlyn Well-Known Member

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    One was AFK and another was on Minechat xD
     
  5. AguaDeLaMiseria

    AguaDeLaMiseria Un-Known Pleasure

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    And the other ones left because frustrated, and you know who kept trying? :v At least I got Yupper xD.
     
  6. TheTitaniumTitan

    TheTitaniumTitan Ex WW JMod and Wiki Team member. Bring back WW!

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    Just remove /bail and all Sheriffs will be more happy. :wink:
     
  7. charlottethegirl

    charlottethegirl Ex- Party JMOD

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    This precisely proves my point. You killed Yupper, we lose 30k, we kill you multiple times, you lose nothing (give or take)
     
  8. ZeFazzy

    ZeFazzy Well-Known Member

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    You can bail people irl, why not in minecraft?
     
  9. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    We already had a major argument on that. I think we reached a compromise on an idea for bail, but if it got removed, then the game would be so unbalanced...I can't even describe it.
     
  10. Hitchens

    Hitchens Well-Known Member

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    Don't
    And if we kill you more cuffers will come right?

    Dont lie. All you doo is camp that little room next to the drug processor npc. I have had fun times watching you there with f3 + a.

    Actually I would suggest using @Eil's new tactic, camping the room/outside it if the door is closed, then leaving and camping again for 4 mins. Wonder why we all love this {censored} so much.

    What do you want do then, have time to cuff all the noobs (as you already do.)? Also, you forgot the word "try" before "to kill people".

    I myself found it possible to win as sheriff with only basic gear when getting outnumbered even without cuffs . You just need to take advantage of what you have. You can not be tracked, you can track them. They also tend to rush. Find a corner and use it as cover. It works.

    Also, if it is so hard beeing a sheriff, why dont u just resign? Oh, I remember you always was in leather unable to do a ****. Maybe thats why.
     
  11. marybear_

    marybear_ New Member

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    Like many have stated before me I feel like you just described the job of a sheriff, it was never planned to be an easy job for anyone. I understand where you're coming from when you get outnumbered and everything by bandits but there's not much you can do about that but hope 18kss promotes more sheriffs for back-up and put a higher standard for sheriffs to be online more often in order to have greater numbers in these "cuffer wars".

    Also like Verlyn stated -
    If you apply good strategy and lure out the crowd, maybe some other sheriffs flank etc. things will work out better. I've seen it work out where sheriffs took on like 9 bandits with 3 sheriffs and managed to take out 8 but the last bandit clutched it out, so it definitely is possible just try different tactics every time.

    I personally don't think these wars are bad for the gameplay at all because 1. sheriffs do get gear for free so I don't see how you're losing much and 2. it keeps Wild West interesting with the pvp and it just makes up the game imo since no one should be able to make drugs freely. If you do let's say get tired of dying over and over to the same people maybe spend your time elsewhere, check other bases / fields, mine, catch conductor robbers, etc. If you're that dedicated to getting that group though try and call for back-up I guess and, as I stated before, just keep applying different tactics and hopefully one will end up working to your favor.

    I feel like sheriffs will always be outnumbered, making them rely on their tactics and pvp skill. In order to succeed you have to have patience in seeing what works and what doesn't / try to improve your pvp skills as the days go by to be able to fend off more bandits. In the end if you can't come to terms with that and as you stated "just log" I feel as though you should step down from the position.
     
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  12. _Karst

    _Karst Well-Known Member

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    Start life with ir that is the ****ing job boy

    beginners not "noobs""
     
  13. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    Noobs is actually a term that applies in more cases than you think on Wild West

    Ultimately patience is your friend. Yes, I know it's hard to wait for someone who has all the cards in their hand and you don't, but you will get A LOT more kills and victories. That is also how the bandits win so much. Sheriffs rush in unorganized thinking they can tank three sawedoffs and save the day only to get destroyed utterly.

    Another good tactic I've discovered is a sort of “order of entry." It's a sacrificial type of attack, but it works. One sheriff goes in and attacks, going ham. The other sheriffs are set up around the processor, at entrances, waiting. Once the sheriff inside dies, another enters immediately, giving the bandits inside no time to heal. And it continues until all the bandits are dead, or all the sheriffs are dead.

    Another great one is for WG specifically. Have a couple sheriffs do a CQB (Close Quarters Battle, as in S&W spray and Coach.) at the front door of the processor. That draws attention from the rear of the base, where one or two sheriffs can rush through the door at the rear of the processor during all the confusion and open up close range with coach guns and repeaters. Or, if you want to be “that guy" and get hated and flamed, and then have to explain the handbook's encouragement of handcuffing to people who honestly could give a **** less, you can use the rear door to rush in and cuff everyone. Done.

    I do understand that these tactics do somewhat require numbers, but that's because I played in several teams, particularly CROW in its later days, where numbers were key to winning.
     
  14. _Karst

    _Karst Well-Known Member

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    Noobs are players that know the game but arent good. Beginners are players that joined a few days ago, they dont know the game that good and are not skilled.
     
  15. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    There are hardly any “beginners" these days as you put it. Everything is controlled by a set of A-list teams and individual players (including sheriffs)
    The B-list players are looking to get into the A-list teams to have access to support, gear, and funds, so they can start practicing to become A-list players, or, they are becoming A-list players by learning to play with less gear but still win fights.

    The “noobs" and “beginners" would fall under C-list. They have almost no experience or true “knowledge" of the game, and are stuck with the C-list teams and teammates who beg for bails and gear, because they got cuffed and inspected and sent to jail at shrooms for an 8k bounty.

    *Explanation of how I view the game is finished* *Turns back to Battlefield 1 Conquest game*
     
  16. AguaDeLaMiseria

    AguaDeLaMiseria Un-Known Pleasure

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    So my heads are 0k? :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  17. RedStoniac27

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    What is a team cap?? .-.
     
  18. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    Limit to the number of players per team
     
  19. enderdragon3615

    enderdragon3615 Well-Known Member

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    I will admit that I do not have as much experience in teams, but it can't hurt to toss my opinion into the mix. I completely agree with your opinion of the teams on Wild West, and I agree with your definition of the types of teams. Being a beginner is complicated, and being one is unfortunately something everyone will have to experience at one time or another. But, isn't it our responsibility as experienced and well off players to help those beginners? I remember just starting out on Wild West, and I was part of a "C-Team" there were literally 30 of us who had no idea how to play the game. There was a plethora of players out there who had the knowledge to help us, but they would not "sink to our levels." I say this only because the A-Teams and B-Teams created a barrier to us new players, and to be honest I did not like it.

    Yes, there have been steps in the right direction, but there are still too many walls and barriers to the new player. I was not around when Wild West was first released, but from what I have heard teams where quite a bit more mixed. Experienced players should help the new players, and once those new players have become experienced then they can teach the next row of beginners.

    One of the most famous saying is treat others the way you want to be treated. If I had to start fresh on a completely new server then I most certainly would want to be helped, and in turn help others along the line. If we can dissolve these elite teams and try to create a community of helpfulness, then I believe players will come to Wild West.

    It is not my intention to accuse anyone of doing anything so I hope this post does not come across as a personal jab.
     
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  20. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    I get what you're saying, but I'm going to be brutally honest. There is no way for us to help out these beginners without directly adding them to our teams, and most of the time we lose money trying to train them. Also do not forget that the game is not balanced towards these newer players.
     
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