Brainstorming: Legacy Guns

More bullets in the ak and lamentation.
Same firerate

 

Lamentation

Fire Rate 600 RPM
Fire Mode Fully automatic
Reload Time 4 seconds
Magazine Size 50 + 14 > 50 + 78 (not sure if you can upgrade these if I recall from the old coding)
Damage 18 > 23
Recoil -
Range 76m
Hip Accuracy 3.0
Aimed Accuracy 0.2 > 0.1 (Necessary?)

 

The accuracy is fine imo.

 

I am glad we can change the guns a little bit, it will helps a lot!

All SMGs need a big buff, especially MAC-10 and PP90M1:

Spoiler: SMGs

MAC-10:
Fire Rate: 600 RPM
Fire Mode: Fully automatic
Reload Time: 3.5 seconds --> 3 seconds
Magazine Size: 30 +34 --> 40 + 24
Damage: 14 --> 16
Recoil -
Range: 76m
Hip Accuracy: 2.0
Aimed Accuracy: 1.0 --> 0.8

MP7:
Fire Rate: 600 RPM
Fire Mode: Fully automatic
Reload Time: 3 seconds
Magazine Size: 20 + 44 --> 30 + 34
Damage: 18 --> 19
Recoil -
Range 74m
Hip Accuracy 1.8
Aimed Accuracy 0.8

UMP-45:
Fire Rate: 600 RPM
Fire Mode: Fully automatic
Reload Time: 4 seconds --> 3.5 seconds
Magazine Size: 30 + 34
Damage 22
Recoil: -
Range: 70m
Hip Accuracy: 2.0
Aimed Accuracy: 0.8

P90:
Fire Rate: 600 RPM
Fire Mode: Fully automatic
Reload Time: 3.5 seconds
Magazine Size: 40 + 24 --> 50 + 14
Damage: 18
Recoil -
Range: 76m
Hip Accuracy: 2.0 --> 1.8
Aimed Accuracy: 0.7

PP90M1:
Fire Rate: 600 RPM
Fire Mode: Fully automatic
Reload Time: 4 seconds
Magazine Size: 50 + 14
Damage: 14 --> 20
Recoil -
Range: 70m
Hip Accuracy: 2.8 --> 2.5
Aimed Accuracy: 1.0 --> 0.8

I also got a second idea: What if we would make the Barret one-shot again? It would give the lower leveled players another good gun, which they could use. The other snipers are fine in my opinion. Here my thoughts:

Spoiler: Barrett 50c

Fire Rate: 60 RPM --> 40 RPM
Fire Mode: Bolt
Reload Time: 4 seconds --> 5.5 seconds
Magazine Size: 5 + 27
Damage: 93 --> 120
Recoil -
Range: 400m
Hip Accuracy: 8.0
Aimed Accuracy: 0.2

Talking about shotguns, the Typhoid and the Spas-12 should be buffed, but the rest is fine:

Spoiler: Shotguns

Typhoid:
Fire Rate: 600 RPM
Fire Mode: Burst
Reload Time: 3.5 seconds
Magazine Size: 12 + 20 --> 15 + 17
Damage: 18 x 7 (126) --> 22 x 8 (176)
Recoil -
Range: 13m
Hip Accuracy: 3.6
Aimed Accuracy: 3.6

Spas-12:
Fire Rate: 60 RPM
Fire Mode: Pump
Reload Time: 3.5
Magazine Size: 8 + 24--> 10 + 22
Damage: 14 x 8 (112) --> 16 x 8 (128)
Recoil -
Range: 14m
Hip Accuracy: 3.3
Aimed Accuracy: 3.3

Now let's talk about pistols... I am sorry to break it to you guys, but the Python is ridiculous op; it needs a nerf. I have also added a few other changes:

Spoiler: Pistols

USP-45:
Fire Rate: 150 RPM
Fire Mode: Semi automatic
Reload Time: 2.75 seconds
Magazine Size: 12 + 20
Damage: 25 --> 28
Recoil -
Range: 48m
Hip Accuracy: 3.0
Aimed Accuracy: 0.2

Magnum:
Fire Rate: 150 RPM
Fire Mode: Double action
Reload Time: 3.75 seconds
Magazine Size: 6 + 26 --> 8 + 24
Damage: 39
Recoil -
Range: 48m
Hip Accuracy: 3.6 --> 2.5
Aimed Accuracy: 0.16

Python:
Fire Rate: 200 RPM--> 180 RPM
Fire Mode: Semi automatic
Reload Time: 3.5 seconds
Magazine Size: 9 + 23
Damage: 50 --> 45
Recoil: -
Range: 48m
Hip Accuracy: 3.0 --> 3.6
Aimed Accuracy: 0.2

Let's go on to the "Special Weapons". We have to admit it: They are too op, especially the mini. Nerfs incoming (although some weapons like LAW or Flame need a slight buff):

Spoiler: Special Weapons

Minigun:
Fire Rate: 600 RPM
Fire Mode: Fully automatic
Reload Time: 4 seconds
Magazine Size: 999 (64 starting ammo)
Damage 18 x 2 (36) --> 12 x 2 (24)
Recoil: -
Range: 128m --> 100m
Hip Accuracy: 3.5 --> 4.0
Aimed Accuracy: 2.0 --> 1.5

Flamethrower:
Fire Rate: 400 RPM
Fire Mode: Fully automatic
Reload Time: none
Magazine Size: 3000 (64 starting ammo)
Damage: 14
Recoil -
Range: 12m --> 20m
Hip Accuracy: 3.0 --> 2.6
Aimed Accuracy: 3.0 ---> 2.6

LAW:
Fire Rate: 30 RPM --> 40 RPM
Fire Mode: Single shot
Reload Time: 5 seconds
Magazine Size: 4 + 60 --> 5 + 59
Damage: Medium
Recoil -
Range: 54m --> 100m
Hip Accuracy: 0.76
Aimed Accuracy: 0.76

Ray-Gun:
Fire Rate: ~~
Fire Mode: Semi automatic
Reload Time: 3.5 seconds --> 4 seconds
Magazine Size: 8 + 8 --> 6 + 10
Damage: Medium-high --> Medium
Recoil -
Range: 256m
Hip Accuracy: 0
Aimed Accuracy: 0

The Assault Rifles are fine. Oh nvm, except from one gun:

Spoiler: Skullcrusher

Fire Rate: 600 RPM
Fire Mode: Burst
Reload Time: 4 seconds --> 1 second
Magazine Size 24 + 40--> ~
Damage: 36 --> 300
Recoil: -
Range: 76m --> 1000m
Hip Accuracy: 2.5 --> 0
Aimed Accuracy: 0.2--> 0

You can imagine... jk ._.

Thanks for reading, please give me some feedback!

 

Yessss, these are splendid changes. Especially the SMG's. Wonderful stats, including the silly Skull Crusher buff.

Although that Barrett buff turning into a one shot, wouldn't it require more nerfs to compensate for it's huge power? If it already one shots, more nerfs are required as people can obviously and sadly abuse the stats of the weapon to the fullest.

 

Yeah, I know. I have pushed to reload time up to 5.5 seconds and reduced the fire rate even more. But, of course, some more nerfs could be good too.
Edit: A suggestion for a bigger nerf of the other stats:
Barrett 50c:
Fire Rate: 60 RPM --> 30 RPM
Fire Mode: Bolt
Reload Time: 4 seconds --> 6 seconds
Magazine Size: 5 + 27 --> 4+26
Damage: 93 --> 120
Recoil -
Range: 400m
Hip Accuracy: 8.0
Aimed Accuracy: 0.2

 

Make the iso be unlockable at lvl 70+ the server is becoming a disaster with it.

 

These are the 3 I agree with the most, especaily the MP7 and the PP90M1. Maybe the Mac-10 could stay at 30 Magazine size but the damage could be increased as you said. Also, the Magazine size for the MP7 could go to 25 and the damage increased as you said. I was thinking that the PP90M1 could have more reserve ammo, maybe 44. Also, the damage is good, but the range should be decreased to 65.

What about the Lamentations reserve ammo? It only has 14 currently, maybe increasing it to 64? Or is this to much?

 

Agreed. I didn't suggest it in my post, cause I didn't know if it's possible. If that's the case - yes please.

 

Its damage also hurts the Lamentation (heh, Lemon). I did suggest a buff to it (ignoring the aim buff) but it may be overbuffed and be insanely good. Testing would be needed to fully receive a proper adjustment.

 

I wouldn't say the same. In most of the gungames, spas12 needs more than 3 close-up (~5 blocks) shot to get a kill. Or i just Suk...
Typhoid is... mehhhh, yes, I like it a lot, it's a really fun gun to use, but it just needs a little buff in damage to be worthy for the last unlockable shotgun place.

 

I honestly think that the amount of one shot kills in the game are pushing the newer players out of the game. That being said,

The python shouldn't one shot kill anymore, it's the most powerful gun in the game, and it's a sidearm.

When the SkullCrushers burst gets all headshots it shouldn't instant kill, it's not hard to get headshots with it seeing how well you can spam it.

The Isolator should have a longer period between shots, along with maybe a longer reload.

When I've been playing infect lately, I've noticed that half the players that get infected go to spawn or just log off. The reason for this is that the raygun is so easily spammable, you point the gun lazily and click. All it takes is 1 raygun to make half the infected quit, to help fix this in a way would be possibly making the firerate slower, almost like the law, and a 4 clip size. It would still be instant but less spammable.

A good and easy way to make the game more balanced for new players, would be to give all the low tier automatics up to the ak47, maybe famas 128 ammo, if not a little more, this will make them more noob friendly so they don't run out of ammo all the time giving them at least a chance to get more kills

The smg's Skull covered perfectly.

Sorry for not doing this in the format you listed but I just can't be bothered .
Feel free to pm me if you want opinions from another long time player.

"Make War Great Again" I don't do "hashtags"

 

I agree with you in mostly every aspect. Sadly we cannot give more than 64 ammo (blame the code), so this specific suggestion wouldn't be possible. We can only change it e.g. from 20+44 to 30+34 .
Anyway, don't expect this update to fix everything, it will be small and fix the biggest issues first. After that we might look at other problems. Step by step xD

 

That's coded in, but unrelated to the gun. Sadly not possible to change.

 

Time to find orange lmao

 

I always thought it'd be a good idea to make the SMGs do more damage and have higher fire rates, but make them less accurate. I believe this would make them better than assualt rifles at close range but worst than assualt rifles at long range, like they are in most games. After changes like these the SMGs would be usefull on some maps.
If some of these changes were to be accepted when will they be implemented?