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+3 Banned Accounts - Suggestion and Ideas

Discussion in 'Suggestions / Ideas' started by JayOG, Mar 21, 2017.

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Would this work out for you?

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  1. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    The Current Protocol
    "Alternate Accounts:
    Players are allowed to play on other accounts as long as they do not use these accounts to violate any restrictions in-game. We do not allow players to use accounts that are not owned by them. Any extra accounts used by the player need to be purchased by the player, or they could suffer discipline. This means that you are responsible for any accounts that you have logged on. If they suffer a discipline, you will too.

    You are not allowed to use alternate accounts if you have a total of 3 lifetime bans (that were not appealed) across all of your accounts. You will be permanently banned from Brawl if you violate this rule."

    The Problem
    Recently, I have been thinking a lot about the current protocol that Brawl has about banned accounts. It is 3 right now but I suggest reducing it to 2. I get that people should be allowed to get 3 chances and after the third strike you're out. But, then again people will tend to abuse the power that Brawl gives them. After the first account banned, you would think that someone would get the idea to stop hacking or continuously breaking the rules. Sadly, there are times when people just don't get the idea. I believe it's time for Brawl to toughen up on hackers and/or people who continuously break the rules.
    My Suggestion:
    I believe that Brawl should reduce the 3 alternate account protocol to 2. Reducing it by one chance would really prove that Brawl isn't going to let things slide like it regularly would with the 3 account protocol. To be honest with you, people who get banned for continuously violating the rules don't stop. I won't be calling anyone out in this thread because that wouldn't be right. I also do agree that people change, but most of the time it's annoying to keep dealing with the same person bringing the same problems they got banned for. I myself, am part of the CTF community, and we have a few members who continuously alt with 1 or 2 banned accounts. They don't get the idea that having one banned account is bad, specially in your favor. There have been various cases when a hacker has been caught on video and they get banned but still continue to use the same thing. There also have been cases when people are extremely disrespectful to staff. Toughing up on this rule would reduce the amount of players that bring this bad environment to Brawl's server. I have heard that WarZ has various players who alt with one or two banned accounts, and still act the same way that they did before they even got banned. This isn't just an attempt to get something done in the community, but it is also to clean it up from people who ruin the game at times, either with hacks or with extreme disrespect.

    Any Idea's or thoughts on this would be appreciated, I am just trying to make sure that we keep our community clean as possible! I will be inserting a pole to see what people think about this. Knowing what our community wants, or thinks is something that should be very valuable to staff members! Also, with false bans and stuff like that. I do know that staff aren't perfect humans and they do make mistakes. But if you have been false banned, than make sure to prove you were false banned! By proving yourself to staff, and getting unbanned, you would avoid getting caught up by this rule! That is why, people who have been banned, have been banned for a good reason. I hope you guys support me on this idea! So we could help clean up our community!

    @chickenputty @Lord_Roke @Canoodle
     
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    #1 Squidward, Mar 21, 2017
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  2. gamren

    gamren Well-Known Member

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    Although I personally like the idea, there are reasons why it is 3.

    "It's 3 because it matches the amount of unbans that can be purchased. You can have up to 3 unappealed perm bans across accounts. Buying an unban is an unappealed perm ban". -Quoted from Putty.
     
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  3. ekali

    ekali Bannēd for DoX

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    WarZ has players that alt with hundreds of accounts js

    Also vouch for @gamren 's post
     
  4. Sayan

    Sayan Well-Known Member

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    But why let players evade at all? If you get perm banned, you shouldn't be allowed to play on the server. What's the point of banning players if your just going to let them evade the ban. Any player caught evading their 1st ban should be IP banned.

    Give people one chance to buy an unban. Right now unbans are useless as players can just go on an alt rather than wasting money.

    That's all assuming the brawl staff doesn't falsely ban players.
     
  5. Proterozoic

    Proterozoic Wiki Team is a Semi-Staff Rank

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    My personal leanings are if you've been given enough warnings to be banned in the first place then that's exactly what should happen. No alternate accounts etc. If you're banned, then you've had enough chances (for minor rule breaks that's 40 in 8 months). You can purchase an unban (which is also something I'm not totally pleased about but at least it brings in money), but that should be it.
     
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  6. Carnotauros

    Carnotauros Raid & Events Manager

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    That would not be fair, I use the same IP as my brother does get perma banned, I would get banned too. We should keep it at 3.
     
  7. Sayan

    Sayan Well-Known Member

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    If your brother gets banned, you just go in ts with him and prove that your 2 different people. That's how every other server does it.
     
  8. Aboves

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    The unbans are not useless. I personally as a WarZ player would much rather buy a $10 unban, then to buy a $27 account and buy it an $11 rank. It's $38 or $20 for a second unban. Even without purchasing a rank it would still be cheaper to buy an unban.
    That's not how it works. This thread is referring to the fact that you get 3+ banned accounts and then you are prohibited from accessing the server on that IP. If Carnotauros' brother is to be banned, Carnotauros can continue to play on the server without any issues, however, if his brother is banned 3+ times, it will be an IP ban. Due to them both playing on the same IP, there is no way around this.

    I for one oppose this idea due to the fact that there are always complications revolving around the legitimacy of bans, and seconds chances, and the amount of players that will now be banned because they already used their unbans. This would complicate matters and really will result in no improved system. If anything it will make things worse by making more players "forced" into alting, which will make other players complain that they should not be playing. There is just no need for this.
     
  9. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Yeah, I can speak from experience that banning someone only to have them come back on an alt is very annoying, especially if its someone using a ghost client. Unbans are fine since it helps support Brawl, but I don't see why we allow players to alt when it gives us absolutely no benefit.
     
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  10. ekali

    ekali Bannēd for DoX

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    It kind of does give a benefit because most of the alting players on WarZ buy ranks.

    While Brawl benefits from the money I still see that it is annoying to staff having to ban them constantly; it's also another reason why we should ban most VPNs imo.

    People can just crack their own accounts / buy cheap alts for MUCH less than what Mojang prices them at. It's why most people didn't buy unbans because they can get 500 non-full access accounts from a seller for like $5.
     
  11. Aboves

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    Why I forgot about this I don't know ;-;
    Especially considering the fact that I've used them. Still, I feel as though this is not needed.
     
  12. Droiid

    Droiid Shutdown

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    That's true, but that's also no everybody. I think a second chance would enable people to learn from mistakes. Plus you could always try it out and if people abuse this, just remove it and its back to perm ban.
     
  13. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    I mean, now that unbans are removed, I don't see why this idea shouldn't be added to be honest.
     
  14. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    Now that I have became staff I don't see why the alting shouldn't be reduced to 2... Players come back so quick now :/
     
  15. Aboves

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    1. It generates money for Brawl.
    2. It gives more players more chances to play, which makes the servers more populated.
    3. It gives more leeway for people who either made a stupid mistake a couple years back and bought an unban, or who were false banned and cannot prove their innocence.

    Even if they do come back quickly, they come back, and Brawl pockets a quick $10-$20 from the unban.
     
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  16. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    We don't sell unbans.
     
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  17. Aboves

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    Then remove the first point that I made, the other two still apply.
     
  18. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    "It gives more players a chance to play, making the servers more populated"
    I'd rather have a less populated server full of legit players than a populated one full of hackers.

    "Gives more leeway"
    The whole point of this is to stop giving so much leeway. If you hack on the server you should be lucky to be given a second chance, period. If the server was more strict, there wouldn't be as many hackers as there are now *cough* triple

    I get the "false ban" thing, but that could easily be avoided if you staff were able to screen share....... :thinking:
     
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  19. Follution

    Follution Well-Known Member

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    I'll say to sum up, to bbuy unban that's Dumbnass. If someone banned and Has a lot of money?
    s/he can To buy "unban fee" and i know there is Punish is Unable you to bbuy one, Its mostly need to be deleted, and its not the potential to buy it. and make from it alot of money
     
  20. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    Specially after recent events, reducing the alting to 2 banned accounts would be rather effective, and would make it easier on us staff members. People repeatedly come on, and start hacking AGAIN. Becoming strict towards alting would reduce people hacking by a ton.
     
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