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Sheriff Pay: A Huge Issue that partially accounts for the harsh nature towards noobs.

Discussion in 'Wild West' started by AmbitionZ_, Apr 24, 2017.

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  1. AmbitionZ_

    AmbitionZ_ Highly Established Member

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    Disclaimer: RandomCitizen1's old thread on this topic. I am NOT asking for sheriff's pay to increase, I am pointing out that there is a flaw in the sheriff pay system that definitely makes this game less noob friendly.​
    Alright, so this topic has been brought up before, but I feel we need to bring this topic back up. The issue in the sheriff pay system is that it encourages going after newer players. The explanation, you can go die repeatedly to experienced teams, and even after winning (Not the most likely thing) You make normally 5-15k from their illegals and possibly selling back diamond armor. Normally they ask for all of it back for free. Lots of sheriffs do give it back for free if asked since they can't use it. That also is a lot harder and less consistent than noobs. Noobs, unlike experienced teams, don't often store their drugs, don't have nearly equal gear, and often are too scared to attack. I get around 7k average when I cuff people in leather, (From my experiences) so we'll use that as an average. There are about three options for fighting experienced teams. 1. Buy Kevlar and pots and win but probably lose money anyway, 2. Buy just pots, (around 6k for me) and die over and over because your money gets taken bit by bit. 3. Buy nothing and die a lot since you don't have enough pots to last. Then we have 4 options when looking for noobs: 1. Nobody is there. ( Welp time was wasted but at least you didn't die.) 2. There are players there but they run, (Not normal since you normally have a horse) 3. There are noobs but they don't know how to log safely so they attack and most likely die (Ez Money!!) 4. They kill you. (Lmao) 5. You arrest them and make your 7k. (Most common) You may get more money from arresting/killing the experienced players, but noobs are much more profitable as it's almost guaranteed money. Ever notice that for a little while after sheriffs get accepted, the player count drops a little? That's because the new sheriffs are so excited they check every base, and at least 1 is bound to have a noob for them to make money off of. Also, the arresting isn't what makes them quit, it's the bounty they get from being arrested. As a White name, it takes forever to mine off a huge bounty. That's also why I propose you get 1k bounty from robbing a conductor. What do you guys think? Sheriffs, what is your opinion on this topic. How could we solve this issue?
     
    #1 AmbitionZ_, Apr 24, 2017
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  2. featherpaw

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    Just saying... this is what I see....
     
    #2 featherpaw, Apr 25, 2017
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    Yes, I totally agree players should get less bounty from robbing conductors. If players (especially new players) rob a conductor then go process drugs, there bounty is almost impossible for them to mine off if they die or get cuffed, causing them to quit.
     
    #5 Chilled_67, Apr 25, 2017
  6. Hitchens

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    First off, nice to see you post here :V

    Other than that I think this is an issue that have been discussed quite a lot, and I think the solution is already there. Check this thread out for my take on it. https://www.brawl.com/threads/65892/

    And as for the playercount, tho neither of us have any data on this, it should be rather obvious it drops a little. But not too much, as you rarely find noobs at bases anyway. And about your claims that it is mining of the bounty that make them quit, I wouldnt be quite sure. I would think its somewhat more likely it is loosing what they worke so hard for in one click, and there have been ideas to solve this. I cant remember who suggested this, but you could get like 1/4 of the price of the drug into your bank already when you process. In this way you wouldnt loose all.

    Ps. I think this sheriff vawe is particurarly problematic, as rc1 decided to promote people who are used to outnumbering.


    Then commenting on your points with pots and kevlar and ptices etc. You get as many morph and whisk as many bandits have. I would say the nr1 problem atm isnt the weak gear, it is the not so skilled sheriffs. A few days ago you guys first outnumbered us multiple times (4vs3), then we was 4, but half of us didnt have the guns they needed. Then 3 of you guys went kevlar... and in the end won... This I would say is pathetic. Rather an issue with gunskill than pay.

    And ffs, sheriffs are suposed to die more than bandits, thats why they get free gear.

    EDIT: this should be in th ideas section, thanks.


    Also, this is not the way sheriffs are suposed to do their stuff...

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    lol

    Then when someone starts proccing

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    This happens
     
    #6 Hitchens, Apr 25, 2017
  7. AguaDeLaMiseria

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    M8 this is server idea. And well I see this weird just to repost/copy other's thread.
     
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    #7 AguaDeLaMiseria, Apr 25, 2017
  8. Hitchens

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    No this isnt an idea really, there is no idea here to solve any of this lol. He is asking others for comming up with the ideas after copying rc1s thread :V


    Do not take this as an offence @AmbitionZ_ , it might be good you brought up this issue again.
     
    #8 Hitchens, Apr 25, 2017
  9. AmbitionZ_

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    I didn't exactly copy it. It's based off the same idea and kind of hard to reword some stuff while still addressing the issue and making sense. I thought we should come back and discuss this topic again, since it is a big issue that makes it hard for newer players to stay.
     
    #9 AmbitionZ_, Apr 25, 2017
  10. TheTitaniumTitan

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    I can't see anything. I'm either blind or I think I'm not and you forgot to add text?

    Edit: I saw that it was dark theme, why don't you change it so everyone can see it?
     
    #10 TheTitaniumTitan, Apr 26, 2017
  11. AguaDeLaMiseria

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    You're right, my mistake.
    You can comment in the older thread, it'd not be necrothing, and I think randomc has knowledge about this so weird imo but I guess you can do it.
     
    #11 AguaDeLaMiseria, Apr 26, 2017
  12. SoullessAngel_

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    That's just Patryk. He doesn't play the game how it's really meant to be played, and it pisses me off, but people like that come around. We just have to deal with them.

    It's not a bad thing that he brought it up. It shows that the Wild West staff team is going through ideas and presenting old ones to the community that originally had no use or point, but may solve the problems we have currently.

    Plus, that thread is old and any post on it would cause a lot of confusion. A new thread is fine.
     
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    #12 SoullessAngel_, Apr 27, 2017
  13. Jbird3604

    Jbird3604 Pvp, and Gun Skills: -10/10

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    After reading all my of these comments, I have a couple of ideas ( This is not the final, just my thoughts)
    1. Maybe rasie the pay of Drugs, or the Proc drugs ex (we get 10g for Coco, since it's so 20g)
     
    #13 Jbird3604, Apr 27, 2017
  14. CrossBoone

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    That would be promoting sheriffs to check every single base, making the player count drop.
     
    #14 CrossBoone, Apr 27, 2017
  15. Jbird3604

    Jbird3604 Pvp, and Gun Skills: -10/10

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    That's how the game is suppose to be played, not just go after the major teams in WG and get destroyed (unless if ur using Kevlar.)
     
    #15 Jbird3604, Apr 27, 2017
  16. Hitchens

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    From what I know, the sheriff rank was originally designed to limit the power of the top teams, not to screw every single defensless newbie over.
     
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    #16 Hitchens, Apr 27, 2017
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