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  1. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    So, recently over the last couple weeks Brawl's player count seems to have dropped greatly. Even on the weekends, me and @Striker_Sly noticed that Brawl's population was a constant 100-300. For a server as big as Brawl's, which has 9 gamemodes within it, this is not good. Half of the gamemodes are ghost towns, with little to no players playing them. The other half make up the majority of the player base, which often is not many. This is an issue that really doesn't seem to being dealt with in some of the gamemodes (from what I"ve personally noticed).

    Take WarZ for example. Over the past few weeks, or even months, WarZ has received a very low player count. It's highest reaching around 30, and it's lowest, of course, zero. This is so frustrating to see. WarZ is a great gamemode that has so much potential, it gets people INTO the game, but the problem is this: the community, the lack of update. In fact, it seems that staff has given up on WarZ. Recently I was told that Canoodle no longer deals with WarZ problems. This is shocking to me, it doesn't make any sense. Why would staff give up on the server that gives the most of Brawl's income? Even if the community is horrid (which I admit I have contributed to), that shouldn't justify completely giving up on it. If you give up on it, the server dies, eliminating the server which gives most of the money. There are no longer ANY events held on WarZ, such as the ones Canoodle used to hold within a few staff members. The reason, they tell me, is because the community "complains too much". They say the community asks for them, and then complain when they lose. But isn't that the same for every single Minecraft server? Every time a server hosts an event, people complain when they lose. It's human nature, it can't be stopped unless you want to mute everybody that takes part in it. However, if this doesn't stop other servers from hosting events, it shouldn't stop Brawl as well.

    One way to fix that issue is by boosting your staff team. You have a max amount of 30 people playing WarZ, and yet somehow the community stays the same? Somehow, there are STILL hackers, STILL rule breakers. The reason for this is because there is currently no WarZ SMOD, as @Spirals made a thread about recently. I understand GreenPeas is in a bad state currently, but until he gets back you guys need to promote @Sn4x5 to WarZ Manager. There are 2 moderators who watch over WarZ currently, Sn4x5 and @Aboves. However, they aren't able to deal with most of the issues on WarZ due to the absence of Peas. If Sn4x5 is promoted (as he is currently the best WarZ staff for the job in my opinion, and he's the longest current one as well), those issues could be dealt with WAY quicker.

    Last major issue with WarZ is the known client, X-Ray. Staff says there is no way to prove somebody X-Rays, and to be honest, this is one of the main reasons why the last of WarZ's players left. X-Ray makes the game completely unfair, and there's ZERO way staff can prove they are doing it. So basically, X-Ray is allowed on Brawl. Who would stop you? This issue could be EASILY fixed if Brawl actually had a screen share protocol. Now, putty already gave his answer on this topic. "It's an invasion of privacy". To be fair, nobody's going to have a stash of hentai on their computer that they don't want people to see. AND EVEN IF THEY DO, THIS SHOULDN'T JUSTIFY THE FACT THAT THEY MIGHT BE HACKING. If you set up a screen share protocol in which the staff member who is screen sharing record and privately upload the entire thing, that would prevent them from doing anything they aren't supposed to do during the process.

    sorry for the longass warz rant, that's my main server so those issues are common to me.

    Now to the other servers.



    Party hasn't gotten ANY advertisement since Sky played it years ago, and hasn't gotten ANY update in a very long time. It just gets repetitive and even though that's Brawl's most popular gamemode at the moment, it's just not worth playing or buying anything for it. Half of the Party cosmetics don't even work, which is really disappointing considering you actually have to pay for it.

    War has gotten repetitive as well, no updates whatsoever. Only interesting thing on it is War Fun Sundays, which is basically just an hour booster for XP and credits. The server's had the same spawn for 2 years I believe, which is boring as hell. Advertise the server, and War would be a lot more interesting with a large player base other than the same 20 people every day.

    I don't play any of the McPvP gamemodes enough to have a decent opinion on it (other than Build). For Build, you guys would have a lot more players if you advertised the server.

    Same with KitBrawl, advertise the server.

    Raid, advertise the server.

    WildWest, advertise the server.

    Hardcore Games should just be removed due to the fact that it sits at a constant 0 playerbase. fpsHG had around 80-100 people playing it at all times, and yet it was removed for glitches which could be fixed if they set that as their priority.

    Final point: If the higher ups work on one thing at a time, instead of starting one thing and then abandoning it for another, the server will get nowhere. Set a priority, and stay with it until the end like you did with WildWest. And look how successful that was until recently. Advertise your server, get a new player base instead of hoping the older one will stick around. Because that's not going to happen, the 2013 community is growing up, leaving the server and Minecraft entirely. Minecraft is not dying (as I've seen people assume). The only reason other servers have been depleting is the fact that their older community is leaving. However, they gain as many players as they lose due to advertisements. This is why servers like Mineplex, Hypixel, Hive, etc. have so many players. They update their servers constantly, keep the players entertained instead of just giving up on a server.

    If you didn't read all of this I don't blame you to be honest. I'm just tired of seeing the same 5 people on WarZ and other servers every day instead of getting to play with somebody new.

    Thanks.
     
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  2. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    Wild West: Advertise the server.

    Not the only thing that needs doing. There are still multiple fixes that need to be made to the entire gamemode to make it more friendly to the new players we DO get through advertising.
     
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  3. ekali

    ekali Bannēd for DoX

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    I agree, since I got on WarZ there were literally 4 people on.

    4.

    Back in the day, you had twice Brawl's entire player count on WarZ. Probably even triple. Now the same small group of people play it and it's boring. Another server I play on that's highly similar to WarZ doesn't constantly update it, but they are constantly working to make people happy, changing up the map, holding events, and doing much more. What I really like is that when you spawn, you get the kit of your choice (if you have it purchased). Kits aren't overpowered and cost skulls which can only be obtained by killing people. The kits can be leveled up so they provide more things, like an extra weapon (usually melee, like knives, bats, screwdrivers, etc), ammo, food, or armor. This keeps people playing so they can level up the kits and not have to run around looting much.

    I suggest WarZ adopts the kit system too, because it's a superb idea. Players actually have a reason to play, rather than WarZ players looking for that one whitename whos probably on the server for his first time, running around cluelessly at desert.

    It's hard to get players to a game where most of it's current players have adapted to the play style of combos, but I feel like it wouldn't be hard to teach people. Then again, it might be something that turns player's views away from WarZ because it isn't that realistic shooting a 28.5 lb sniper then almost instantly switching to a shotgun. But thats how WarZ has been, and that's how WarZ will always be (as we know it).

    Coming from the hacking community, I can say that people have gotten smarter at hiding hacks. However, if you look at how many players are banned daily on Brawl, you can clearly tell that they don't play Brawl.
    What staff could do is:
    1. Freeze the player (make it so they can't take damage. If the player logs out, it kills them and drops their loot only obtainable by the player they last killed.)
    2. Get them to screenshare and get the player to go to Options > Snooper Settings. Find the line where it says launched_version. If the name of the version launched isn't common, allowed mods, then ban them. If it is, open up .minecraft through the resourcepacks folder. This eliminates having to dig through people's files to find their secret launch location.
    3. Do the usual. Go through their versions and look for clients. Don't be like stupid HCF servers who ban you if you have Vape's website in your history. Just look for versions that are thick in memory and keep an eye out.

    I understand it is an invasion of privacy, but I'd rather have hackers banned rather than not banning them because they aren't being blatant and only have render hacks on. If something looks suspicious, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

    Edit: Also, MAKE A BAC TESTING SERVER! I have worked with @Sn4x5 testing numerous clients against different anticheats while Sn4x5 edits the configuration to make it easier for the anticheat to block whatever hack we're testing. However, if a BAC testing server is made, make it so trusted people can join. I would love to help since I have experience with clients. When we test hacks, BAC can be updated simultaneously to combat them so it is a very powerful anticheat. It's what you have to do to make anticheats work.
     
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  4. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I'm going to be completely honest with you and I hope my reputation still withholds. Party doesn't need the advertisement right now.

    As much as I'd love to have it, it isnt required. And tbh, party has gotten some pretty good updates recently (including new maps, new cosmetics, a fix to the store, wool mixup being readded (thank you mario!), and a bunch of bugs that were originally on the trello being taken care of). It's in a decent state right now and it can survive until something happens.

    I can't speak for the other servers, but I wanted to give my input on party. Idk how much people believe from me right now, but I'm hoping you put your faith in me and my judgement.
     
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  5. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    If a decent state you mean a constant 30 player base, than yeah it's alright. Usually more than most servers if I'm being honest. But the reason I said the server needs advertisement is because it would benefit the player base, making it go from 30 to what it used to be, 100-200 at all times.
     
  6. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I get that, but it isn't top priority right now.
     
  7. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    I know this, but the fact they won't even TELL us their #1 priority is the reason there are so many complaints within the community.

    Also, I never said Party was or should be the number 1 priority. I said the #1 priority should be advertising Brawl as a whole in order to revive it.
     
  8. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    Fair enough, and it's understandable that they wouldn't tell us. Trust me, as ex staff I know exactly what's going on behind the scenes, but even now as a normal player I still don't think it's a good idea to say. Truth be told, it isnt your faults. It's the few who overreact that cause the problems (I'm the pot calling the kettle black because I was a huge offender) because none of us want to put in all this work just to have a few yelling no matter what. Transparency has gotten a lot better lately. Still needs work of course, but it's getting there.
     
  9. Gohabsgo

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    Players online doesn't = playerbase. I am a part of the Hardcore games playerbase so it can't be 0.

    Second of all screen sharing is stupid. You shouldn't be forced to be put in that situation just to play on a server. Brawls actually got that right
     
  10. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    You act like sharing your screen is a big deal. It's not giving away any personal information other than what you're using in-game. And if you think screen sharing is "stupid", what's your solution to fixing the X-Ray situation on WarZ?

    Also, every single time I get online there is 0 players on HG. So it's pretty close to being dead in my eyes if you and a couple other people are the only people who play it.
     
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    You shouldn't be required to allow someone onto your computer whenever they wish to check you out. You should have the right to your privacy. I'm glad that brawl didn't follow other servers lead.

    And yes HG is dead but to say it doesn't have a playerbase is wrong
     
  12. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    It's not allowing someone onto your computer. It's allowing another person to view your screen, not control it. The staff member who would be screen sharing would ask the player who is being screen shared to navigate to different sections in order to make sure he/she is not hacking. Furthermore, the staff member in question would be recording the entire thing so the higher-ups know that he/she wasn't doing anything he wasn't supposed to.

    Look, I'm not trying to sound whiney or anything. All I'm trying to do is help the server that I'm passionate about, and the reasons I listed above are the reasons I think the server hasn't been getting anywhere recently.
     
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    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    I don't know if you're being serious or not but if you are then that's even more delay than what we've already been going through
     
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    I've seen SS videos and they ask you to go through a bunch of folders. What if I don't want to go through a bunch of my computer files with a complete stranger against my will? What's in my downloads is my buisness.


    I've seen mods go through pictures, search history. It's invasive
     
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    ekali Bannēd for DoX

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    Those are the mouthbreather staff members that think "OH GOD HES GOT VAPES WEBSITE IN HIS SEARCH HISTORY HE MUST USE VAPE!!!"

    I don't know why people that (hopefully) don't hack get so f*cking defensive over their privacy when the screenshare protocol is against suspected HACKERS
     
  17. EmperorTrump45

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    Just because you're hacking or are "suspected of hacking" doesn't mean you forfeit your right to privacy, especially with people you don't know.
     
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  18. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    Which is exactly why the staff member would record himself going through the stuff that would prove the player in question was hacking, not unnecessary folders, search history, etc.
    You're all talking about privacy, it's not like he's going to search through your entire computer, they'd look through your Minecraft options from IN-GAME, and your Minecraft folder in general. Nothing unnecessary, and if people think that's an "invasion of privacy" that's sort of ridiculous. Nobody's going to find out your real name or personal information from a Minecraft screenshare. You guys need to understand it's a staff member doing it, not a random player who you wouldn't be able to trust. All the other servers who DO have a SS protocol are doing a lot better than one who don't have it implemented by the way, so I feel like that speaks for itself.
     
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    Why should someone I don't know be looking through my downloads? That's my buisness
     
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