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Killing the game

Discussion in 'Wild West' started by Hitchens, May 14, 2017.

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  1. Hitchens

    Hitchens Well-Known Member

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    One of the majir reasons to my lack of activity in-game and in the ideas section, is my feel of guilt for killing what was left of the experienced players. Now before we start, lets remember there is no doubt the moment the old base dies was gona come.

    So a day in around february, @ChicknSlayr asks me why I am in the big team (dev at the time). I told him I need some rest. That I had been soloing against the galactic empire (aka mingoteam) he didnt know about. But soon he learned. In the early days of our long lasting friendship, i was able to teach chickn stuff. It was about killing tower campers, basic bullet mechanics etc, mastering Outpotting, countering ww style strafers and such logical stuff, but he quickly became so skilled i could teach him no more.

    Together we created a few smallish teams (one of them XL8R). They was quite unsuccesfull, all of different reasons. One thing few realises is that they died more because of us than the big team. Key figures in our teams was inactive at really important moments etc, which always caused the teams to collapse (XL8R was different, it was the warz players so /shrug). Now at this point, i thought we was sucessfull. there was competition. Exactly what we wanted. But this also began to create dilemmas for me. As i was the dictator really, I had to tell friends sorry but **** you not inving - that drove me crazy.

    As you can probably understand, I could not think of how we could ever kill putty. Even tho I and chick was capable of up to 2vs6ing putty at times, what could we do if the rest of the team just feeded them with gear? Nothing.

    At some point I got another few tonns of **** in game, + some bs promotions + other stuff came. I was away till putty broke up. I came back for some time, but I quickly became less active again. I had realized what had happened. We had killed putty, we had killed the experienced base.

    So at this point putty is dead. Every good player apart from breeze is in NET. A team i created but gave to chick cos he had a house for hq.

    Now remember my love for the game, how much i have cared - how much work i have done. Killing the game feels like killing a child for me. It hurts. This is why I have became less active. I feel so sad.

    But the real topic I want to discuss here, is the blinded rethoric of a majority of the staff team and myself, as I probably was the most militant advocate of team member limits. Just saying "outnumbering is bad, team caps should be added", is not a valid way of arguing. You can not go from a to c, whithiut knowing wether a leads to b and b leads to c.

    Team caps might reduce outnumbering for sure, but that is not the end goal. A server with a 0 playerbase has 0 outnumbering. A Server with 30 players and 2 major teams will have outnukbering. As I see it, it have been some powerfull nice people with a lot of protection seeking minions against one or two poferfull people with the leftovers. But when you have team caps, the game will become more unfair when you think about it. One team of the most skilled players vs those who could actually get by in the old system. Those bad but experienced players would just run around the map then killing of the rest if the base - if they played (they dont). Ofc I had to suffer in the old system, but that does not entitle me to say that the "outnumbering is bsd" argument makes the opposite sides argument wrong by definition. Thats not how it works.

    I apologize for my illogical arguments in the past, and to contributing to the killing of the game greatly. I wish to undo my impact to the best of my ability.

    Probably the best 1h wild west have had since the cap the cartel event, was a random all bandit truce event hosted by me. Everyone fought sheriffs together and had fun. Everyone enjoyed it. As i recall, even the sheriffs did, tho they wasnt too succesfull (got like 10 heads :V) . Now this is what ww should be. Not some ultra hard shooter game where a few very skilled players rek everyone elses butts together.

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  2. Champloo

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    Uh I dont think youre behind 'killing the game' at all. The game just got too repetetive for most players, and when some of the old players decided to leave, others followed.
     
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  3. Hitchens

    Hitchens Well-Known Member

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    Thanks pyro.

    But dont you see what I am saying? During that one h when we came together and had fun we had over 40 players max. That isnt repetetive anymore. At least not any more than war or party is. Thats what I am trying to say we need instead of what I have been arguing earlier. Trying to get rid of the big teams was the wrong way to go. It made it repetetive. This is what i did nit realize earlier.

    This is where i think i am partly responcible.
     
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  4. JustFamouz

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    I was never sure how to explain this, but this is exactly what I have been trying to make people understand.
     
  5. Hitchens

    Hitchens Well-Known Member

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    We was always worried about what would happen with chicken. And we discussed it a lot. But the thing was we, or at least i thought it was impossible..
     
  6. pewgeon

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    Not exactly for me... I always got outnumbered even though the only people that stands a high change of winning against me over pressure is JustFamouz and Trogs. Even Nafsu hates my sawed off. xd, but I'm not rich and I don't reck.
     
  7. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    I think what you're experiencing is guilt on a subconscious level Kommune. You and your teammates are so good at the game, and the people who are below you don't appreciate that, so they express flame and hate in response. You care about the community for sure, but you also have to understand that you are just playing the game how it is. It isn't your fault it's broken, but that doesn't mean you can't help fix it either.

    @Endermaster3000 low key spamming my posts with the funny rating to seem like a savage.
     
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  8. pewgeon

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    It was you first
     
  9. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    Proof?
     
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    pewgeon Well-Known Member

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  11. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    And that is one post, which I rated funny for a reason. You have spammed countless posts with that rating, one post which was from August of last year. I don't get what you're trying to prove through one post.
     
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  12. pewgeon

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    It's a joke calm down mr. president
     
  13. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    It's not a very funny “joke"
     
  14. pewgeon

    pewgeon Well-Known Member

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    Me. President
     
  15. AguaDeLaMiseria

    AguaDeLaMiseria Un-Known Pleasure

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    I wish I didn't leave. You're not responsible at all imo. This broken mechanics should have been fixed since the game started.
     
  16. iMingo

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    The game dying is because of all of us, everyone took a part of it. Not only us, it includes the old staff mainly, competitive players like us, even the noobs in the game.
    Here is why -
    Staff: They don't care about the game enough to think good ideas for it, there are tons of good ideas on the forums, they don't care about it. Staff like *insert name here* promoted enough sheriffs to out number my team. Staff like *insert name here* banned people because he lost a fight. Staff like *insert name here*, for example, banned me for hacks because I use tab skin difference + the chunk reload + 3rd person POV to see people around, and unable to explain how I was banned because of hacks when I rode a horse to frisco on the train tracks.

    Competitive players: People like me did kill the game a lot, the game is not suppose to have big teams camping drug bases, teams that are so powerful that staffs have to play cheap to defeat. Teams like mine did make a lot of people quit the game. Because I started it, it never ended, because it takes a team to defeat a team.

    Noobs: Noobs are a part of the game, they don't know anything about the game, they obviously don't know about the big gangs and the lines they shouldn't touch, I'm not friendly, and my team was the best back then, they didn't know that, so they touched the line, they didn't know I was helping them at first. Due to their stupidness, I cut a very big scar in the game.

    Its a shame that the game is nearly dead, but I believe the scars can be healed, if we use the right medicine and the right treatment.
     
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  17. pewgeon

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    boi we need more sheriffs. That's why all the good players left. More sheriffs = more competition = more oldies = more reviving = better noobs = more oldies = game revived. That's why my 7TH SHERIFF APPLICATION should be accepted :grinning:
     
  18. tallscot

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    More sheriffs = worse experience for the new players
     
  19. iMingo

    iMingo Legendary Criminal

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    The game is on the edge of death, no one takes it seriously anymore, if more than 5 active sheriff is promoted, pack your stuff, because you are going to get rekt, and there is not enough people like me to help you, why so? Because I'll be having my new pc by tomorrow and I'm out of this place to play csgo if anything goes wrong. Your theory might apply after I got banned and before the ban reset, but not now.
     
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    This game is ded because you need to be afk to make money.
     
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