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Staff Abuse and Second Chances

Discussion in 'Discussion' started by charlottethegirl, May 23, 2017.

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Do you think Pyrotheum deserves a second chance?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Maybe work on a couple of things

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  1. Brendoom

    Brendoom Well-Known Member

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    You seem to like to turn everything on me constantly and will not look good in future. If you want my yes, keep things to yourself and stop blurting things about me and saying "i'm a bad person for doing this, that and the other." That comes across as quite immature i'm afraid.
     
  2. Champloo

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    I dont quite need your 'yes' anyway.

    I would appreciate it you would keep things to yourself after this post, I think you said what you wanted to say.
     
  3. Brendoom

    Brendoom Well-Known Member

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    See I don't see much "maturity" in this player. Twists my words and makes it about me. No what I wanted to say, was I think you are in the wrong. Therefore I say "Keep things to yourself "Pyro" " You hear that, i said "Pyro". Not "Brendoom". So please stop being immature by messaging me in-game posting rude and immature posts to me and just simply ignore me if you don't like me. It's that simple. I would suggest not replying to this now if you want to save yourself from getting into more trouble than you have in the past. Not everyone thinks highly of you Pyro, I want to but you push me away. Don't think for a second I am lying about that, I generally want to be your friend you just push me away and call me "toxic". I am not rude or toxic pyro and you know yourself. It's either envy of me of something else that quite simply you don't like me but there is a huge discrepancy between us two. Let the past go mate.
     
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  4. ekali

    ekali Bannēd for DoX

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    This thread isn't about you two's past, but rather giving Pyrotheum another chance. Lets keep it like that :cat:

    also give Pyro another chance, if he gets demoted for placing blocks he shouldn't of then I should be banned for knowing hackers
     
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  5. Champloo

    Champloo Guest

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    Thank you, he seems to have a thing for turning every thread about himself.

    Can we please get back on topic?
     
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  6. Proterozoic

    Proterozoic Wiki Team is a Semi-Staff Rank

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    Firstly, I applaud your ability to stand up here and argue this point despite it being shot down so many different times. Your determination is commendable.

    Unfortunately, I just can't see anything changing as a result of this post. Regardless of whether the reasoning behind this is sound or not, the circumstances are almost certainly different. The reasoning behind the demotes are of course going to be different, with Pyro's seeming to be considerably more severe. Additionally whether he's changed a lot from his past self to everyone else now matters very little in context. The problem is as you say the distrust of Cuddled, Roke and Putty. They are the three most powerful people on brawl by quite a ways and control all ranks of responsibility. Pyro's job isn't to convince all of us he's changed for the better, it's his job to convince them otherwise. If they haven't been sufficiently persuaded then there is absolutely nothing we can do or say on the matter.

    You know what? I like Pyrotheum. I think he's a great guy, and it's a real shame some others don't see that side to him. Unfortunately those actions in his past have coloured the views of the staff manager and the owner of the server and so they see him as both distrustable and unworthy of that responsibility. There's really nothing you or I can do or say that will change that, it's more down to whether or not Pyrotheum can convince them otherwise. He's the one that they don't trust, and he's the one that has the potential to change that. If he can't, then I'm afraid these threads are just an unfortunate waste of time because they're not going to promote a staff member they don't trust.

    Once again, completely agree with your message, I just believe you're beating a dead horse given the current circumstances.
     
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  7. Brendoom

    Brendoom Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough, thanks for your reply. :smile:
     
  8. Ritzy

    Ritzy Est. 2014
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    Nah like don't get me wrong I think pyro is a good builder and most likely deserves a chance but there's no need to compare him to me when it's a completely different argument. I'm not going to explain myself on what I did but I accept your apology and if you believe Pyro deserves a chance talk to the build team management with him. :finger::happy:
     
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  9. StrikerSly

    StrikerSly Well-Known Member

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    brawl needs to get a grasp of its ego.

    it went from thousands to just a couple hundred players within a couple years. why isnt pyro builder again? brawl staff complain that every player begs for too much, such as a warz map or new warz map edits. of course, the same staff work alongside people who fail to promote deserving builders. for gods sake it was 9 months ago, let him back in. who cares if hes immature, hes a ****ing builder, stop caring so much about your non-existent reputation and START REBUILDING THE SERVER

    @Algelier thanks buddy for remembering - yes i did hack on another server the issue here is that other staff did the same thing and i even TOLD the higher ups this, yet they didnt listen. i was being honest which should have given me a second chance. had i not been honest? I probably would have been a staff member to this day. regardless, that was two years ago. i really dont care for staff but the issue was that even back then, the server was dying and warz BADLY needed staff anyway, at the time i was one of the only active warz MODS who were capable of thorough hack judgement. like i said though, this literally doesnt matter anymore xD

    anyway bottom line is folks, this server is dying/dead within a few months we need as much builders and staff as we can if you arent sure, then watch over them as a trial because thats why jmod exists. jmod is literally a useless staff position. they basically say the same **** as mods do without any commands to ban hackers if they see them. its stupid as hell.

    you know what? heres an idea

    JMOD: ABLE TO BAN HACKERS WITH RECORDED EVIDENCE AND AN EXPLANATION. ALL VIDEOS AND EXPLANATION POSTED IN A THREAD UNDER JMOD+

    MOD: ABLE TO BAN HACKERS WITHOUT RECORDED EVIDENCE AFTER 2 WEEKS OF BEING MOD. VIDEOS ARE ONCE AGAIN IN THE THREAD UNDER JMOD+ HOWEVER, AFTER THE 2 WEEKS, THEY DONT HAVE TO POST OR SAY **** UNTIL THE BANNED PLAYER APPEALS

    SMOD+ THOSE RANKS ARE FINE ALREADY

    -PROMOTE SNAX SMOD
    -GIVE FEATHER A SECOND CHANCE AT STAFF
    -RITZY TO MOD
    -PYRO TO BUILDER

    ritzy was demoted for a dog**** reason anyway, he was given not one chance and had 0-1 strikes anyway (the staff team used to have a 3 strike youre out system btw) the funny thing is, the player was deliberately trying to be anonymous and get him demoted. no staff member should be demoted for something that isnt 100% their fault.

    *ahem* back to you, pyro
     
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  10. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    Um, no. Too big of a risk of abuse.

    @ritzy did have strikes on him before he was demoted for failing to identify a permabanned player despite being warned about him multiple times.
     
  11. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    That's a suggestion.
     
  12. DarkTitan_

    DarkTitan_ Ex War and News Manager

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    JMod can't ban, only kick for a very limited time. It's pretty close, but Gehenna was saying that being able to ban flat out after an interview is too risky.
     
  13. StrikerSly

    StrikerSly Well-Known Member

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    too risky with recorded evidence and a report along with the ban? then how is jmod even going to learn how to ban hackers... there is literally NO hack tests anymore from what I hear, and by not giving jmods any perms they will be exposed to no usage of commands or any hack experience... its not risky at all. on warz, i play with jmods who witness blatant hackers and record, but are unable to ban at the time. the hacker is free to roam for a solid hour before the recording has finished rendering, uploaded to youtube and SEEN by an upper staff member before judgement is even made. system is quite dumb if you ask me. jmod is a TRIAL stage, if they **** up a couple times, they get the boot. simple as that.
     
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  14. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    I don't know who told you that, but that's a blatant lie.
     
  15. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    Hey look, a thread I can relate to
     
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  16. StrikerSly

    StrikerSly Well-Known Member

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    doubt that, there was only 2 when i was staff which is way too infrequent
     
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  17. Turmac

    Turmac Hardcore Games Enthusiast

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    Towards the end of when I was a staff member, we hadn't had one in 6 months, and then one out of the blue. There was a time when there was one every month though.
     
  18. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, they're infrequent, but you claimed there aren't anymore happening. They do need to be more frequent.
     
  19. StrikerSly

    StrikerSly Well-Known Member

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    thats called exaggeration
    ^^^
    just read my post over again. ive been there done that and being staff i noticed the system was way too high with expectation unnecessarily
     
  20. Ritzy

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    I'm not going through it but you're still not exactly right. Can we just drop the topic on me and get back on to Pyro being a builder, I wish I was never tagged in this tbh...
     
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