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Discussion in 'Ideas' started by SoCool21, May 28, 2017.

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  1. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Sheriffs were a nice, albeit flawed, way to make the game a little more interesting for regulars. However, this mechanic had a detrimental side-effect which is worse now more than ever. New players stand absolutely no chance against a sheriff - and considering most of the regulars have seemed to have stopped playing anymore, this is a pretty big issue.

    New players don't stand a chance when a sheriff is online. A sheriff can easily check each base in about 10 minutes, and a new player with poor gear and minimal experience is no match to a sheriff's diamond armour and illegal gun gear equivalence. The fact that a sheriff's job is to literally go around and check each base, trying to take out everyone in each one (whom are usually new players), just doesn't make sense to me.

    tl;dr Sheriffs were okay when we had regulars, but we don't now. They're way too OP against new players, and they make up most of the player base.
     
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    #1 SoCool21, May 28, 2017
  2. TheTitaniumTitan

    TheTitaniumTitan Ex WW JMod and Wiki Team member. Bring back WW!

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    Are you suggesting to 100% remove them? I feel like this would...make WW...a lot more different...I've never thought of completely removing them...
     
    #2 TheTitaniumTitan, May 28, 2017
  3. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Yes.
    That's entirely the point.
     
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    #3 SoCool21, May 28, 2017
  4. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    Worth a shot. +1, although an acceptable alternative may be needed to balance things out.
     
    #4 SoullessAngel_, May 28, 2017
  5. Tjocko

    Tjocko Wild West Ex-MOD

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    GO MINING. Removing sheriff would basicly be removing everything illegal aswell. Or mining nad drugs would be almost equal. Illegals would be almost the same as legal ones.... blah blah blah.

    It would destroy the point of having anything "illegal" which means it's more powerful.
     
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  6. pewgeon

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    mining's for skidz
     
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    #6 pewgeon, May 28, 2017
  7. Tjocko

    Tjocko Wild West Ex-MOD

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    Why arent you mining already? Plus I edited it a bit.
     
    #7 Tjocko, May 28, 2017
  8. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    NOT A SIGNIFICANT SOURCE OF INCOME AND FRANKLY QUITE BORING. GO PLAY PRISON IF YOU LIKE MINING.
    Removing the legality of items and activities would simplify the game, and making it easier to pick up and play. You have to think user friendly in game design.
     
    #8 SoullessAngel_, May 29, 2017
  9. Tjocko

    Tjocko Wild West Ex-MOD

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    kden, I'll go back to war I don't want to care too much for Ww if this happens.
     
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    #9 Tjocko, May 29, 2017
  10. CheeseBill

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    This would just remove all the challenge from wild west
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    #10 CheeseBill, May 29, 2017
  11. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    if it's a challenge for people who have been playing since the server came out imagine what it's like for people who just joined the server. it's rage inducing, makes new players quit.
     
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  12. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Ah yes, mining, the most thrilling experience one shall ever imagine. Also, had you read the thread thoroughly, you'd see that this suggestion is primarily for new players, so telling me to go mining is futile.

    And why is this a bad thing, exactly? I don't really think a new player gives a flying anything about the roleplaying aspect of the game. Removing sheriffs will have a huge positive impact on new players. If that removes the roleplaying aspect, then I'd say that's worth it.

    Mining and drugs are absolutely nothing like each other for one simple reason - mining is safe, drugs are not.

    Other than the fact that the guns are completely different guns. How on earth would they be the same? Are you trying to say that, if it weren't for the illegality, a T-Gew would be the same as a Carcano? The Blunderbuss the same as a Sawed-Off?

    This is about as well-made as your other points.

    And more dangerous. Drugs will still be more risky, because there's a chance that a new player at poppy will be confronted by another new player at poppy. A fair fight would occur, and even though one of the new players will die, it may just be the hook they need to keep coming back.

    Alternatively, we have sheriffs. Sheriffs have the equivalent of full diamond armour, illegal guns, as well as months of experience. We're literally asking them to check each base, killing or cuffing anyone in the base. We literally have a role, where you're expected to kill every new player in every base, and those new players stand absolutely no chance whatsoever against you because they probably don't have any skill, a decent weapon, or good armour.

    Let that sink in. Sheriff is quite literally a role designed to make the game harder for new players. That... that's just absolutely ludicrous.

    Considering Wild West is dead, you're not the only one who will do this (or probably already has).

    See what tallscot said. That's my thoughts - let me elaborate.

    Sheriffs have the equivalent of full diamond armour (possibly even stronger, if they have kevlar) and illegal guns. They have considerably more experience than new players. On the other hand, a new player may have full gold and a carcano. What exactly are they going to do? Unless the sheriff is absolute trash, or the new player gets incredibly lucky, the new player will die. There's no doubt about that.

    And, we're telling these sheriffs to go round each base and check them. We're telling them to kill or cuff everyone in each base. We quite literally have a role where they are told to go round, kill every new player that they see processing drugs, and cause all chances of that new player to enjoy the server to 0.
     
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    #12 SoCool21, May 29, 2017
  13. Tjocko

    Tjocko Wild West Ex-MOD

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    What I meant by mining, is that you should get money from it, then buy gear. Doing drugs isnt a thing for someone who has just started.




    Sorry for my past posts btw, didn't really think clearly because I had just woke up, which is difficult for me to do. My bad.
     
    #13 Tjocko, May 29, 2017
  14. AnimeLoverVerlyn

    AnimeLoverVerlyn Well-Known Member

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    I think it's a great idea. Although SoCool's argument is valid, I think it's a good idea due to players utilizing sheriff to make money quickly without risk and resigning once a good team comes along. Plus, new players aren't willing to do anything illegal if they see a sheriff online. They're much more prone to play the game for what it's actually supposed to be if sheriffs are removed. +1.
     
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    #14 AnimeLoverVerlyn, May 29, 2017
  15. Droiid

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    Its nothing we can't change back, I feel like its worth testing out for a bit. If all else fails we can just have one or two sheriffs for a bit.
    +/- 0
     
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  16. NickManEA

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    Although, you've stated some great points to support your view of the current state of the game, I doubt about the fact the game will become popular again, or the way it will be played anymore.
    By removing emoving sheriffs the game won't make sense anymore. Yes they are quite overpowered in front of newcomers though instead of removing them we could change some aspects. We should do something to push sheriffs into moving for more experienced players instead of new ones. I remember someone suggesting a similar idea (sorry, I couldn't find the thread):
    Because you all are TL;DR: Sheriffs will make more money by cuffing/killing experienced players and much less money by cuffing/killing new ones.
    Unless this happens, I will go with a +1.
     
    #16 NickManEA, May 29, 2017
  17. pewgeon

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    GUYS GUYS I HAVE A SOLUTION!

    add pvp in mines...
     
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    #17 pewgeon, May 29, 2017
  18. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    Ruins the point of mines being legal and safe. You might as well do drugs for all its worth. More money with pretty much the same risk.
     
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    #18 SoullessAngel_, May 29, 2017
  19. Hitchens

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    I agree with socool that it would be better to just remove the rank than letting it stay as what it currently is. But I think that the best way to do this without dev time, would just be to add a few rules to handbook, promoting a few sheriffs and demoting a few.

    What I suggest instead:
    - Add a rule saying that you have to go for the top team to the handbook.
    - Demote cuffers who are known for going for noobs.
    - Promote a few new sheriffs (RioYR, xKameron and twister.

    The point would be to keep the sheriff vs bandit fun for oldies and let the noobs go wild.

    At this point I think its really about a few cuffers like patryk. If we get rid of them, i supose all would be quite a lot better. But, i cant poof so idk for sure.

    Another way would be to change sheriff pay. And tho that would require very minimal dev time, it would still require it
     
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    #19 Hitchens, May 29, 2017
  20. MrSwat_

    MrSwat_ War 2.0 GSGer, Team Sync Wild West, and Ex-Sheriff

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    -1 Having cuffer wars is really fun and I've seen some new people in them and they have fun sometimes...
     
    #20 MrSwat_, May 29, 2017
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