What Religion Are You?

A man without Jesus is spiritually dead.

 

There was no Jesus in the garden of eden. There was a truthful snake, an innocent man, a trusting woman, and a lying, spiteful god.

Jesus is a Retcon, since before Jesus there were just people who were punished for not believing God when he lied. Unless you disregard the whole thing as fiction in which case you're drawing one big arbitrary line across half the bible, and inadvertently removing what little basis there is for creationism, the entire flood story, and any basis for Sin as humanity's fault.
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If knowing the truth is a sin against your God then your God values lies.

If Satan damns people to hell because he reveals God to be a liar then God values lies.

Finally, if discovering that God lied to you causes God to make snakes slither in the dust for eternity and creates active conflict between the woman's kids and the snakes,
makes women suffer pain during childbirth and forces them to be subordinate to men (despite 'free will') and makes man suffer pain when gathering crops, then God is the creator of hardship, suffering, and death because humanity discovered good from evil.

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Also he References 'one of us' making multiple gods Canon in the bible.

It's amazing how sometimes the best way to argue against Christianity is with the very book they claim is divine.

 

So, you're going to trust the snake that wants as many people as possible to burn in Hell and condemn the God who wants as many people as possible to be in Heaven by His side. OK.

Here's something you should know. Very few people in pre-Jesus times actually went to Heaven. A couple of them were Enoch and Elijah, and those guys never experienced a physical death. Everybody else including Adam, Eve, Noah, Moses, David, Solomon, Abraham, and Sarah all went Hell. BUT, those who closely followed God went to a special place in Hell where they never experienced any suffering call "Abraham's Bosom". (Bosom doesn't just mean breast, so don't laugh at the name.)
Jesus, when He died on the cross, went to Hell to bring those in the Bosom up to Heaven. The Bosom no longer exists, so any believer in God but not believer in Jesus will go to hell and suffer for eternity. Only Jesus can break the anchor sin has on you to Hell.

 

Did God create hell?

That's a lot of Retcon.

 

Yes, but not for humans but for Satan and his demon followers.

 

Goodness, you are intent on attempting to disprove God.

 

It is not.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 16:19-31

 

Not really. My position on this specific debate isn't that god absolutely doesn't exist, but that your idea of God as a good being is fundamentally untrue.

With the descriptions being given to me, at best the God you are describing is an uncaring God, and at worst he's a narcissist who requires that the people he created love him unconditionally in order for him to save them from the sin he created.

I'd like to point out that eternally torturing demons is still eternal torture, no matter how you try to spin it.

Did God create Satan and his followers, and why does God allow humans into hell if it's not meant for them?

If it's Satan bringing humans into hell despite God, Satan is more powerful. If God allows humans into hell not meant for them, he's uncaring and evil. If God actively sends people to hell, he's the most evil being to ever exist.

 

Alright, it is easy to pick at other people's ideas, but how about you give some of yours. Clearly, we won't be changing your mind, and you are definitely not changing ours.

 

Yes, God created the angels, including Satan. Angels have free will, but they seem to not be nearly as susceptible to sin as we are. Satan got arrogant and believed he could be better than God. He convinced some angels to join him, and he attempted to overthrow God, which was foolish. God then threw him and his followers out of Heaven to the Earth.
Satan and his followers deserves Hell. They deserve to burn forever.

By rejecting Jesus, we choose to indulge in sin, just like the demons and Satan. Again, only Jesus can save us from sin.

 

You haven't asked. Let's move to the other thread.

If I'm not going to change your mind I'm not going to bother. You'd change my mind with a convincing argument or proper evidence, because that's how you do a debate.

 

I'm Muslim, (Islam)

And I'm proud of that I mean it

 

Anyone say they believe in scientology? Or is this thread meant to start heated debates about superior ideas that just won't across another one's mind...?

(I dont believe in scientology btw)

 

How so? I mean, science completely shows how a belief in God is illogical and unreasonable, but whatever

 

I could give an Islamic view proving God is real.

 

go ahead, i havent heard an Islamic standpoint yet, but I doubt it's any more scientific than the Christian one...

a man "with jesus" is mentally damaged

 

A man without Jesus is inclined towards believing in reality... just my opinion though.

 

I will give this explanation of the other religions discussions chat.

Thinking that there is no God is very ridiculously sad to me. There are many proofs of God, people just don't think hard enough about it.
People say they can not see, touch, feel, and so on and so forth of God. Well if you believe in that, you must not have great great grandparents- oh wait, you did. I didn't see my great great grandparents, but I believe they they once existed.
Another reason is people don't understand God, which is why they don't believe in them. But like the cell, we do not know everything about it, like how do cells position proteins, or how do cells know it's size, we don't understand the cell, but we know it existed.
Now, the monkey from human idea is such a stupid idea. It's funny to me just thinking about it. Scientist have not found the body of a monkey and human yet, and if we did come from monkeys, why do monkeys not turn into humans today? And for some stupid reasons, scientist keep looking in Africa.
Now, where did we come from, there is no possible way we just appeared here. NOTHING CANNOT MAKE SOMETHING remember that. We had to had have a creator, someone to make us. You have 2 choices:
1) We all appeared of of NOTHING, which is impossible.
2) Something created us and everything else.
Although we don't understand we're God came from, it seems more logical to choice number 2.
The cosmos are beautiful, aren't they? Well, the universe is huge, and getting bigger, who is doing that? God. How can we look into the sky at night time and think it just appeared.
When there is a CREATION there HAS to be a CREATOR remember that. A table can't appear out of nowhere can it, no. A creator has too create it. A table has too be made by a creator, not just appear out of nowhere.
The cell is so advanced, there are microscopic things in there, how did that just appear? God made it.

I learned all this from Islamic Studies, the study of Islam, Islam taught me this about God. And GlobalistCuck and SharkBaitBooHaha, i didnt mention a "Jesus" or messenger in this did I? I could have, but I was just showing you I can proof God without them.

 

Everything wasn't created by nothing, everything was created a huge amount of something, that was bundled up, because of it's density and mass built so high up, it caused a big bang... This spew out oh-so much mass, at random, that some mass went farther, some mass went different areas, and everything moved relative to everything. That everything could've landed closer to something and attracted to eachother. Because of gravity, everything bundled up, (explaining the vacuum in space) somethings grew bigger, and pulled those things in. But when it can't pull it directly towards itself (because of something other pulling it another direction) it goes past it. Newtons law says anything in motion will stay in motion unless a force acts on it. It moves fast, and turns circular because that big item that pulled it still has a big pull on it. If it moved any faster it would've escaped, any slower it would've crashed into the thing. So then it's path becomes circular thus creating orbits. Im done explaining this, too lazy to write the less, but other than that, certain atoms got together and managed to react with eachother, and thus making cells. And cells feeding and creating. Our existance was by chance of course, but when there are a ****ton of **** in space it created chance for this to happening all over, but we donmt know